From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: "Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Andrew Jeffery" <andrew@aj.id.au>,
"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
"Alistair Francis" <alistair@alistair23.me>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-trivial@nongnu.org,
qemu-arm@nongnu.org, "Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>,
"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
"Richard Henderson" <rth@twiddle.net>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>,
"Cédric Le Goater" <clg@kaod.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] hw/pci-host/q35: Rename PCI 'black hole as '(memory) hole'
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:36:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b6af444a-fb0b-ed98-60df-28ea67d6abe4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200910091454.GE1083348@redhat.com>
On 10/09/20 11:14, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 09:15:02AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 10/09/2020 09.01, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
>>> In order to use inclusive terminology, rename "blackhole"
>>> as "(memory)hole".
>>
>> A black hole is a well-known astronomical term, which is simply named
>> that way since it absorbes all light. I doubt that anybody could get
>> upset by this term?
>
> In this particular case I think the change is the right thing to do
> simply because the astronomical analogy is not adding any value in
> understanding. Calling it a "memoryhole" is more descriptive in what
> is actually is.
Absolutely not. A memory hole ("memoryhole" is not an English word)
would be easily confused with a hole in the memory map, which this is
not. For example on x86 systems the "PCI hole" is a hole between the
end of low RAM and the bottom of the ROM that is reserved for memory
mapped devices. The "PCI hole" is explicitly left free by board code so
that the OS can put PCI BARs in there.
These black hole MemoryRegions, instead, are present in the memory map
and their purpose is to absorbs all writes and only sends back zeros,
hiding the contents of SMRAM and TSEG from the guest. Just like a black
hole they are "something that exists".
Therefore, both "memory hole" and "hole" as in Philippe's patch are
worse than the astronomical metaphor.
Paolo
>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@redhat.com>
>>> ---
>>> include/hw/pci-host/q35.h | 4 ++--
>>> hw/pci-host/q35.c | 38 +++++++++++++++++++-------------------
>>> tests/qtest/q35-test.c | 2 +-
>>> 3 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/include/hw/pci-host/q35.h b/include/hw/pci-host/q35.h
>>> index 070305f83df..0fb90aca18b 100644
>>> --- a/include/hw/pci-host/q35.h
>>> +++ b/include/hw/pci-host/q35.h
>>> @@ -48,8 +48,8 @@ typedef struct MCHPCIState {
>>> PAMMemoryRegion pam_regions[13];
>>> MemoryRegion smram_region, open_high_smram;
>>> MemoryRegion smram, low_smram, high_smram;
>>> - MemoryRegion tseg_blackhole, tseg_window;
>>> - MemoryRegion smbase_blackhole, smbase_window;
>>> + MemoryRegion tseg_hole, tseg_window;
>>> + MemoryRegion smbase_hole, smbase_window;
>>
>> Maybe rather use smbase_memhole and tseg_memhole?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-10 11:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-10 7:01 [PATCH 0/6] misc: Some inclusive terminology changes Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-10 7:01 ` [PATCH 1/6] hw/ssi/aspeed_smc: Rename max_slaves as max_devices Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-10 7:03 ` Thomas Huth
2020-09-10 9:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-09-10 19:25 ` Cédric Le Goater
2020-09-10 7:01 ` [PATCH 2/6] hw/core/stream: Rename StreamSlave as StreamSink Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-10 7:06 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-11 7:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-09-11 7:30 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2020-09-10 7:01 ` [PATCH 3/6] hw/dma/xilinx_axidma: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-11 7:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-09-11 7:31 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2020-09-10 7:01 ` [PATCH 4/6] hw/net/xilinx_axienet: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-11 7:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-09-11 7:32 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2020-09-10 7:01 ` [PATCH 5/6] hw/pci-host/q35: Rename PCI 'black hole as '(memory) hole' Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-10 7:15 ` Thomas Huth
2020-09-10 7:30 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-10 9:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-09-10 9:14 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-09-10 11:36 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2020-09-10 7:01 ` [PATCH 6/6] target/i386/kvm: Rename host_tsx_blacklisted() as host_tsx_broken() Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-10 7:08 ` Thomas Huth
2020-09-10 9:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-09-10 10:13 ` Laurent Vivier
2020-09-10 7:38 ` [PATCH 0/6] misc: Some inclusive terminology changes Laurent Vivier
2020-09-17 19:02 ` Laurent Vivier
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