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From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	Yongbok Kim <yongbok.kim@imgtec.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 09:50:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b815c2f9-1ce9-efed-4afa-c3553786dab1@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9d6c61bc-4a95-ce72-3565-e498f9c2b351@redhat.com>

On 09.03.2017 03:21, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2017年03月08日 19:22, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 08.03.2017 11:03, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>> On 8 March 2017 at 09:26, Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> But anyway, the more important thing that keeps me concerned is:
>>>> Someone
>>>>   once told me that we should get rid of old parameters and interfaces
>>>> (like HMP commands) primarily only when we're changing to a new major
>>>> version number. As you all know, QEMU has a lot of legacy options,
>>>> which
>>>> are likely rather confusing than helpful for the new users nowadays,
>>>> e.g. things like the "-net channel" option (which is fortunately even
>>>> hardly documented), but maybe also even the whole vlan/hub concept in
>>>> the net code, or legacy parameters like "-usbdevice". If we switch to
>>>> version 3.0, could we agree to remove at least some of them?
>>> I think if we are going to deprecate and remove options we need
>>> a clear transition plan for doing so, which means at least one
>>> release where options are "still works, but warn that they
>>> are going away with pointer to documentation or similar info
>>> about their replacement syntax", before actually dropping them.
>> Yes, that's certainly a good idea. But as Daniel suggested in his mail,
>> I think we should also have the rule that the option should be marked as
>> deprecated in multiple releases first - so that the users have a chance
>> to speak up before something gets really removed (otherwise the option
>> could be removed right on the first day after the initial release with
>> the deprecation message, so there is no time for the user to notice this
>> and complain). Not sure whether we need three releases, as Daniel
>> suggested, though, but if that's common sense, that's fine for me, too.
>>
>> Anyway, I've now started a Wiki page where we could track the removal of
>> deprecated interfaces:
>>
>>   http://wiki.qemu-project.org/Features/LegacyRemoval
>>
>> Feedback / updates / addition of other legacy interfaces is welcome!
>>
>>   Thomas
>>
> 
> I think we may want to add mipsnet to the list too. It's kernel driver
> was removed about 3 years ago.

But that's still the default network of the "mipssim" machine ...
is that machine considered as deprecated, too?

 Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-09  8:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-08  8:26 [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 10:03 ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-08 11:22   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-08 11:24     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-09 12:33       ` Markus Armbruster
2017-03-09  2:21     ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09  8:50       ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2017-03-09  9:53         ` Jason Wang
2017-03-09 10:20           ` Yongbok Kim
2017-03-10 11:07             ` Jason Wang
2017-03-10 11:22               ` Peter Maydell
2017-03-10 11:53                 ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-10 11:58                   ` Yongbok Kim
2018-04-24 19:45                     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-09 10:11         ` [Qemu-devel] external snapshots freezes block device since qemu 2.8 Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-09 12:26           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-04-05 22:18             ` John Snow
2017-04-06  9:25               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-10 14:49           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2017-03-10 15:44             ` Piotr Rybicki
2017-03-08 10:20 ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Daniel P. Berrange
2017-03-08 11:19   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-12 13:47     ` Marc-André Lureau
2017-04-12 14:10       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-09 16:00 ` Kevin Wolf
2017-03-24 22:10 ` John Snow
2017-03-27  8:06   ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 12:01     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-03-27 12:49       ` Peter Maydell
2017-04-03 14:19         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-11 12:53           ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-18  9:51             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-04-18 11:57               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-18 17:18                 ` John Snow
2017-04-19  5:53                   ` Markus Armbruster
2017-04-19 10:35                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 10:15                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-19 23:08                     ` John Snow
2017-04-20  5:40                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-04-20 11:10                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2017-03-27 12:56       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option (was: What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces)) Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 13:09         ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -net option Thomas Huth
2017-03-27 15:04           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-27 19:04     ` [Qemu-devel] What's the next QEMU version after 2.9 ? (or: when is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) John Snow
2017-03-27 19:46       ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:21       ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating old machine types Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:46         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2017-03-29 16:54           ` Thomas Huth
2017-03-29 16:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 21:42             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-30  8:04             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2017-03-28 17:18     ` [Qemu-devel] Deprecating the -drive option is a good point in time to get rid of old interfaces) Kevin Wolf

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