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From: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
To: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	Philippe Mathieu-Daude <philmd@linaro.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 15:33:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b9116ec4-6c17-4158-b37c-9ed64d1118bd@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877caitno5.fsf@suse.de>

On 10/8/2024 3:11 PM, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 08, 2024 at 03:28:30PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>>>>>> +    /* Close cpr socket to tell source that we are listening */
>>>>>> +    cpr_state_close();
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it be possible to use some explicit reply message to mark this?
>>>>
>>>> In theory yes, but I fear that using a return channel with message parsing and
>>>> dispatch adds more code than it is worth.
>>>
>>> I think this approach is fine for now, but I wonder whether we could
>>> reuse the current return path (RP) by starting it earlier and take
>>> benefit from it already having the message passing infrastructure in
>>> place. I'm actually looking ahead to the migration handshake thread[1],
>>> which could be thought to have some similarity with the early cpr
>>> channel. So having a generic channel in place early on to handle
>>> handshake, CPR, RP, etc. could be a good idea.
>>
>> The current design relies on CPR stage happens before device realize()s, so
>> I assume migration channel (including RP) isn't easily applicable at as
>> early as this stage.
> 
> Well, what is the dependency for the RP? If we can send CPR state, we
> can send QEMU_VM_COMMAND, no?

The CPR state channel is (and must be) used before migration_object_init,
and before the normal migration channel is opened.  Thus we cannot use the
normal return path.

- Steve

>> However I think dest qemu can directly write back to the cpr_uri channel
>> instead if we want and then follow a protocol simple enough (even though
>> it'll be separate from the migration stream protocol).
>>
>> What worries me more (besides using HUP as of now..) is cpr_state_save() is
>> currently synchronous and can block the main iothread.  It means if cpr
>> destination is not properly setup, it can hang the main thread (including
>> e.g. QMP monitor) at qio_channel_socket_connect_sync().  Ideally we
>> shouldn't block the main thread.
>>
>> If async-mode can be done, it might be even easier, e.g. if we do
>> cpr_state_save() in a thread, after qemu_put*() we can directly qemu_get*()
>> in the same context with the pairing return qemufile.
>>
>> But maybe we can do it in two steps, merging HUP first.  Then when a better
>> protocol (plus async mode) ready, one can boost QEMU_CPR_FILE_VERSION.
>> I'll see how Steve wants to address it.
> 
> I agree HUP is fine at the moment.
> 
>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm probing on this a bit so I can start drafting something. I
>>> got surprised that we don't even have the capability bits in the stream
>>> in a useful way (currently, configuration_validate_capabilities() does
>>> kind of nothing).
>>>
>>> 1- https://wiki.qemu.org/ToDo/LiveMigration#Migration_handshake
>>
>> Happy to know this. I was thinking whether I should work on this even
>> earlier, so if you're looking at that it'll be great.
> 
> As of half an hour ago =) We could put a feature branch up and work
> together, if you have more concrete thoughts on how this would look like
> let me know.
> 
>>
>> The major pain to me is the channel establishment part where we now have
>> all kinds of channels, so we should really fix that sooner (e.g., we hope
>> to enable multifd + postcopy very soon, that requires multifd and preempt
>> channels appear in the same time).  It was reasonable the vfio/multifd
>> series tried to fix it.
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-08 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-30 19:40 [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Steve Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 01/13] machine: alloc-anon option Steve Sistare
2024-10-03 16:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 10:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 12:33       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 12:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 13:24           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:23             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-07 19:05               ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 15:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 02/13] migration: cpr-state Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 14:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 03/13] migration: save cpr mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-07 20:10       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:57         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 04/13] migration: stop vm earlier for cpr Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:27   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:52     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:35       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:13         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 05/13] physmem: preserve ram blocks " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:28     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:17       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 16:26         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 21:05           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 21:32             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-31 20:32               ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 06/13] hostmem-memfd: preserve " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:52   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 07/13] migration: SCM_RIGHTS for QEMUFile Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:35     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-07 18:12       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 08/13] migration: VMSTATE_FD Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 09/13] migration: cpr-transfer save and load Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:47   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:36       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 10/13] migration: cpr-uri parameter Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 11/13] migration: cpr-uri option Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:50   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 12/13] migration: split qmp_migrate Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:44   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:39     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:45       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:12         ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:38           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 18:28       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 18:47         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:11           ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 19:33             ` Steven Sistare [this message]
2024-10-08 19:48             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 18:43               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 19:06                 ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 19:59                   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 20:18                     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:57                       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 22:08                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-10 20:05                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:09                   ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:36                     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-10 20:06                       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-10 21:23                         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-24 21:12                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-25 13:55                             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-25 15:04                               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:29           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 14:33 ` [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-10-08 21:13   ` Steven Sistare

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