From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: bitmap migration bug with -drive while block mirror runs
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 11:09:51 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c051fd5c-31be-c98b-8155-70fe1b6c1283@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191001095416.GC4688@linux.fritz.box>
On 10/1/19 5:54 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 01.10.2019 um 10:57 hat Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy geschrieben:
>> 01.10.2019 3:09, John Snow wrote:
>>> Hi folks, I identified a problem with the migration code that Red Hat QE
>>> found and thought you'd like to see it:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1652424#c20
>>>
>>> Very, very briefly: drive-mirror inserts a filter node that changes what
>>> bdrv_get_device_or_node_name() returns, which causes a migration problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ignorant question #1: Can we multi-parent the filter node and
>>> source-node? It looks like at the moment both consider their only parent
>>> to be the block-job and don't have a link back to their parents otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise: I have a lot of cloudy ideas on how to solve this, but
>>> ultimately what we want is to be able to find the "addressable" name for
>>> the node the bitmap is attached to, which would be the name of the first
>>> ancestor node that isn't a filter. (OR, the name of the block-backend
>>> above that node.)
>>
>>
>> Better would be to migrate by node-name only.. But am I right that
>> node-names are different on source and destination? Or this situation
>> changed?
>
> Traditionally, I think migration assumes that frontends (guest devices)
> must match exactly, but backends may and usually will differ.
>
> Of course, dirty bitmaps are a backend feature that isn't really related
> to guest devices, so this doesn't really work out any more in your case.
> BlockBackend names are unusable for this purpose (especially as we're
> moving towards anonymous BlockBackends everywhere), which I guess
> essentially means node-name is the only option left.
>
The problem as I see it involves API stability.
We allow block-dirty-bitmap-add against e.g. "drive1" through the
block-backend name (the name of the "drive" as the user sees it.)
Of course, once you start mirror, you aren't able to access that bitmap
through that namepair anymore -- the "address" of the bitmap has "changed"!
(In actual fact, the bitmap always had two addresses; and simply we lost
an alias -- but it's the one that the user likely used to create the
bitmap, so that's bad.)
> Is bitmap migration something that must be enabled explicitly or does
> it happen automatically? If it's explicit, then making an additional
> requirement (matching node-names) shouldn't be a problem.
>
This means that bitmap migration becomes a blockdev-only feature.
Serious question: do we have plans to formally deprecate things like
-drive and mandate a blockdev workflow, or otherwise work to unify the
actual graph that gets created between the two methods?
>>> A simple way to do this might be a "child_unfiltered" BdrvChild role
>>> that simply bypasses the filter that was inserted and serves no real
>>> purpose other than to allow the child to have a parent link and find who
>>> it's """real""" parent is.
>>>
>>> Because of flushing, reopen, sync, drain &c &c &c I'm not sure how
>>> feasible this quick idea might be, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Corollary fix #1: call error_setg if the bitmap node name that's about
>>> to go over the wire is an autogenerated node: this is never correct!
>>>
>>> (Why not? because the target is incapable of matching the node-name
>>> because they are randomly generated AND you cannot specify node-names
>>> with # prefixes as they are especially reserved!
>>>
>>> (This raises a related problem: if you explicitly add bitmaps to nodes
>>> with autogenerated names, you will be unable to migrate them.))
>>>
>>
>> In other words, we need a well defined way to match nodes on source and destination,
>> keeping in mind filters, to migrate bitmaps correctly.
>>
Yes, exactly.
>> Hm, did you thought about bitmaps in filters? It's not a problem to create bitmap in
>> mirror-top filter during mirror job:)
>>
>> Or what about bitmaps in Quorum children? Or what about bitmap in qcow2 file child bs?
>>
>> If node-names are different on source and destination, what is the same? Top blk name
>> and bdrv-children names (I recently saw Max's idea to check node "path" in iotest).
>
> blk_name has to be assumed to be "". The BdrvChild path changes when
> filters are inserted (and inserting filters on the destination that
> aren't present on the source, or vice versa, sounds like something that
> should just work).
>
> So both parts of this are not great ways for addressing nodes.
>
>> So, actually node is migration-addressable, if path <blk-name>/root[/child-name] to the
>> defines this node directly (we must not have children with same name for some node in
>> the path).
>>
>> And I think it's a correct way to define node in migration stream - by path.
>
> I'm afraid node-name is the only thing that could possibly work reliably
> for identifying nodes.
>
> Kevin
>
It sounds like you are saying that bitmaps must become a blockdev-only
feature.
I'm not sure if I have arrived at that conclusion yet, but it's at least
inarguable that with blockdev it's a lot simpler to guarantee correctness.
However, we still have -cdrom and -hda and -drive and any number of
sugars that I think we aren't committed to getting rid of yet... (or ever?)
--js
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-01 15:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-01 0:09 bitmap migration bug with -drive while block mirror runs John Snow
2019-10-01 4:28 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-01 9:07 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 8:57 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 9:54 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-01 10:05 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 13:24 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-01 15:09 ` John Snow [this message]
2019-10-01 15:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-01 16:12 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 16:24 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-01 16:23 ` John Snow
2019-10-01 11:45 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-01 9:17 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 14:00 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 14:10 ` John Snow
2019-10-01 15:57 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 16:07 ` John Snow
2019-10-02 8:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-02 10:46 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-02 11:11 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-02 12:22 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-02 13:48 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-02 13:43 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-02 14:03 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-02 21:35 ` John Snow
2019-10-03 10:14 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-03 23:34 ` John Snow
2019-10-04 8:33 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-04 9:21 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-06 3:15 ` John Snow
2019-10-04 9:24 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-04 13:07 ` Eric Blake
2019-10-06 3:19 ` John Snow
2019-10-01 16:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-01 16:17 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 14:13 ` Max Reitz
2019-10-01 14:27 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 14:34 ` Max Reitz
2019-10-01 14:53 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-10-01 15:26 ` Max Reitz
2019-10-02 7:34 ` Peter Krempa
2019-10-01 15:09 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-01 15:27 ` Max Reitz
2019-10-01 16:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2019-10-01 16:17 ` Max Reitz
2019-10-01 16:22 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
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