From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48938) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSix8-0007iA-1j for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 07:58:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSix6-000836-Ng for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 07:58:42 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:53786) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dSix6-00082u-HI for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2017 07:58:40 -0400 References: <1499237876.3041.4.camel@linux.intel.com> <20170705110431.GE22008@redhat.com> <20170705114411.GE29382@lemon.lan> From: Thomas Huth Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:58:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170705114411.GE29382@lemon.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] change x86 default machine type to Q35? List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Fam Zheng , "Daniel P. Berrange" Cc: Chao Peng , "Tian, Kevin" , qemu-devel@nongnu.org On 05.07.2017 13:44, Fam Zheng wrote: > On Wed, 07/05 12:04, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> While you can say people should just add '-M pc' that isn't a nice >> user experiance, because it makes the assumption that people actually >> understand what caused their breakage. When the incompatibilities >> arise the error messages are unlikely to give any hint to users that >> the problems are caused by the machine type change. So unless someone >> is very familiar with debugging QEMU, they're not going to realize >> that '-M pc' will fix their problem. > > While we change the default, can we start to print a message like 'machine type > ("-M" option) not specified, default to Q35. If you find compatibility issues, > try "-M pc"'? Or we could simply remove the default machine type completely for a couple of releases? That would force people to update their script with "-M pc" ... and once this has been established, we can finally make q35 the default? Thomas