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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: How to check when "raw" format driver uses a "regular" file?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 17:01:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c53e6ff2-b09a-ee1e-110d-b64f23e7b609@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210125154316.GC7107@merkur.fritz.box>

On 1/25/21 4:43 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 25.01.2021 um 16:05 hat Philippe Mathieu-Daudé geschrieben:
>> Is it possible to restrict a block driver to a particular set of
>> options? In my case I'd like to restrict the raw driver to regular files.
>>
>> I noticed the NFS driver does it locally in nfs_client_open(),
>> and FUSE has is_regular_file() -- which is POSIX specific however.
>>
>> When a backend is a SCSI drive, the block layer provide the blk_is_sg()
>> method to test it.
>> 1/ Should I provide a similar blk_is_regular_file()?
>>
>> 2/ There is no oslib function to check for regular file,
>> should I add one too?
> 
> I find this question confusing because on one hand you're talking about
> block driver implementations like NFS, but on the other hand about SCSI
> devices, which are users, not implementations of block drivers.

Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the quick answer :)

My question is confused because the problem is not clear to me...

> At which level is the code where you think you need to make this
> distinction?

(see below)

> The other problem is that "is this a regular file?" is probably not what
> you're really interested in. The content of an image can be spread
> across several files (for example, consider backing files) or not use a
> local file descriptor at all (network protocol drivers), and block layer
> functions should ideally make sense for all drivers unless something can
> only possibly make sense for a single driver (blk_is_sg might be a case
> of this).
> 
> I assume that you are interested in some specific property that regular
> files happen to provide. If at all possible, we shouldn't check for a
> specific backend type, but for capabilities or properties of a given
> block node.
> 
> So what are you really trying to do here?

Well, maybe this is more an emulation problem rather than a block
one. But system emulation consumes block layer :)

The problem is when emulating devices such NOR Flash (parallel mapping
or SD cards) we expect the block driver being a plain file (either "raw"
format or another) but a "regular" file. When an user passes something
else like a block device, odd things happen.

Well, I guess I self-restricted my question to device emulation. So
in the cases mentioned I would like to add a check in sd_realize()/
pflash_cfi0?_realize() for regular file when a block drive is provided.

Description of problematic user case:

* -pflash /dev/sda
* -sd /dev/mmcblk0

User runs emulation on top of hardware (maybe like passthru?), and
expect underlying block to be in correct state out of QEMU.

Thanks,

Phil.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-25 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-25 15:05 How to check when "raw" format driver uses a "regular" file? Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-01-25 15:43 ` Kevin Wolf
2021-01-25 16:01   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2021-01-25 16:06     ` Peter Maydell
2021-01-25 16:19     ` Kevin Wolf

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