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From: "Jason J. Herne" <jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Marc Hartmayer <mhartmay@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: libvir-list@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Viktor Mihajlovski <mihajlov@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boris Fiuczynski <fiuczy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/QEMU] s390x/kvm: use cpu_model_available for guarded storage on compat machines
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:13:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c76678f3-70df-e963-12b8-208c5c2a1578@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171020145437.18549-1-borntraeger@de.ibm.com>

On 10/20/2017 10:54 AM, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> Starting a guest with
>     <os>
>      <type arch='s390x' machine='s390-ccw-virtio-2.9'>hvm</type>
>    </os>
>    <cpu mode='host-model'/>
> 
> on an IBM z14 results in
> 
> "qemu-system-s390x: Some features requested in the CPU model are not
> available in the configuration: gs"
> 
> This is because guarded storage is fenced for compat machines that did not have
> guarded storage support, but libvirt expands the cpu model according to the
> latest available machine.
> 
> While this prevents future migration abort (by not starting the guest at all),
> not being able to start a "host-model" guest is very much unexpected.  As it
> turns out, even if we would modify libvirt to not expand the cpu model to
> contain "gs" for compat machines, it cannot guarantee that a migration will
> succeed. For example if the kernel changes its features (or the user has
> nested=1 on one host but not on the other) the migration will fail
> nevertheless.  So instead of fencing "gs" for machines <= 2.9 lets allow it for
> all machine types that support the CPU model. This will make "host-model"
> runnable all the time, while relying on the CPU model to reject invalid
> migration attempts.
...
> -    if (gs_allowed()) {
> +    if (cpu_model_allowed()) {
>           if (kvm_vm_enable_cap(s, KVM_CAP_S390_GS, 0) == 0) {
>               cap_gs = 1;

Ok, honestly, I dislike this idea because it means we are effectively 
lying now. We will happily accept a +gs cpu model with a 2.9 compat 
machine when the point of compat machines is to mimick the older version 
of Qemu which does not support GS.  Yes, model checking will prevent the 
worst side effects, namely, exploding migrations.

I'd far prefer a solution that makes host-model dependent on the machine 
type. But I understand some of the backlash on that idea. Still, it 
seems like the cleanest approach even if it will be more work.

With all of that said, I know we want this fixed and your patch seems to 
fix the problem. So if you need an R-b...

Reviewed-by: Jason J. Herne <jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Can we have a new tag? :-D
Reviewed-by-with-reservations: Jason J. Herne <jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

-- 
-- Jason J. Herne (jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-25 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-20 14:54 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/QEMU] s390x/kvm: use cpu_model_available for guarded storage on compat machines Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-20 15:30 ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-25 10:18 ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-25 10:23   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-10-25 15:09     ` Boris Fiuczynski
2017-10-25 15:30       ` David Hildenbrand
2017-10-25 15:50       ` David Hildenbrand
2017-10-25 16:45         ` Marc Hartmayer
2017-10-26  8:09           ` David Hildenbrand
2017-10-27 10:16             ` Jiri Denemark
2017-10-25 18:13 ` Jason J. Herne [this message]
2017-10-27 12:31   ` Halil Pasic
2017-10-27 12:42     ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-27 13:31       ` Cornelia Huck
2017-10-27 13:47         ` Halil Pasic
2017-10-27 12:45     ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-27 12:57       ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-27 13:40         ` Halil Pasic
2017-10-27 14:06           ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-27 15:18             ` Halil Pasic
2017-10-27 17:12               ` Jiri Denemark
2017-10-27 18:01                 ` Halil Pasic
2017-10-25 23:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Halil Pasic
2017-10-26  8:13   ` Christian Borntraeger
2017-10-26 10:43     ` Halil Pasic
2017-10-26  8:17 ` Cornelia Huck

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