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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190718114352.GE15411@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.23 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.49]); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] No archives to download from www.qemu.org/download/ X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Stefan Weil , =?UTF-8?Q?Philippe_Mathieu-Daud=c3=a9?= , QEMU Developers , Aleksandar Markovic Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On 18/07/2019 13.43, Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 01:29:02PM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote: >> On 18/07/2019 12.55, Aleksandar Markovic wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM Philippe Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9 >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 7/18/19 9:10 AM, Thomas Huth wrote: >>>>> On 18/07/2019 08.25, Philippe Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9 wrote: >>> >>>>>> ... >>> >>>>>> Now there are no archive to download at this url... >>>>> >>>>> You just have to click on the "Source code" tab ... is that too har= d? >>>> >>>> Argh it has been a rough night, now I feel ashamed. I scrolled but >>>> missed that tab. Really sorry for crying wolf here :/ >>>> >>> >>> Download QEMU page >>> >>> In all fairness to Philippe, this page could be better in terms of >>> human-computer interaction... If one presses 'Download', one >>> expects to get to the download links directly or obviously easily. >> >> I guess we should simply re-arrange the order of the tabs ... the >> OS-agnostic source code tab should come first (since this is about wha= t >> we provide for download on our site), and then the others with >> references to the distros etc. >=20 > I'm not sure it is clear cut. I think its reasonable to say that users > coming to QEMU are best served by using distro provided packages. Only > those wishing to actually hack on QEMU, or who need newer than the > distro provides, should prefer the source. Building from source has man= y > more potential hurdles / failure points than installing distro packages= , > which can leave users with a worse first experience of QEMU. Well, yes, but actually I think these users won't visit the QEMU download page in the first place. They simply do "dnf search qemu" and then "dnf install ..." (with s/dnf/$package_tool_of_their_distro/) and are done with it. At least this is what I do when I want to install an additional software (without compiling it on my own) - I hardly visit their website first. Thomas