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From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: "Pierrick Bouvier" <pierrick.bouvier@linaro.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, devel@lists.libvirt.org,
	"Eric Farman" <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Ilya Leoshkevich" <iii@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Halil Pasic" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Anton Johansson" <anjo@rev.ng>, qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] hw/s390x: Alias @dump-skeys -> @dump-s390-skey and deprecate
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 07:50:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d74d3ff3-3830-4682-87e3-a42ed57068d9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fda186da-2e31-42d6-8dd6-0ea3141a73e6@linaro.org>

On 09/03/2025 19.55, Pierrick Bouvier wrote:
> On 6/3/24 05:18, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 06:47:45AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
>>> On 30/05/2024 09.45, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
>>>> We are trying to unify all qemu-system-FOO to a single binary.
>>>> In order to do that we need to remove QAPI target specific code.
>>>>
>>>> @dump-skeys is only available on qemu-system-s390x. This series
>>>> rename it as @dump-s390-skey, making it available on other
>>>> binaries. We take care of backward compatibility via deprecation.
>>>>
>>>> Philippe Mathieu-Daudé (4):
>>>>     hw/s390x: Introduce the @dump-s390-skeys QMP command
>>>>     hw/s390x: Introduce the 'dump_s390_skeys' HMP command
>>>>     hw/s390x: Deprecate the HMP 'dump_skeys' command
>>>>     hw/s390x: Deprecate the QMP @dump-skeys command
>>>
>>> Why do we have to rename the command? Just for the sake of it? I think
>>> renaming HMP commands is maybe ok, but breaking the API in QMP is something
>>> you should consider twice.
>>
>> That was going to be my question too. Seems like its possible to simply
>> stub out the existing command for other targets.
>>
>> The renaming is just window dressing.
>>
> 
> Working on single-binary topic means specificities from every qemu binary/ 
> architecture has to be merged together. Despite appearing has a bad thing 
> now, it's definitely a step forward for QEMU, and will allow to enable new 
> usages.
> 
> The hard way is to trigger a deep refactoring, involving lengthy 
> conversations where compromises have to be found ("let's implement this for 
> all arch"). The pragmatic way is to eliminate obvious stuff.
> 
> This command is specific to an arch, so renaming is a good and obvious 
> strategy. For the backward compatible anxious developer, another strategy 
> would be to simply declare this command if the running target is s390x. But 
> then, you create a precedent to do something that should not have existed in 
> the first place. 
> 
> +1 for the renaming, and hope that users of this command are able to change 
> a line in their script to adapt to the new command.

Sorry, but no: We've got plenty of other target specific commands... 
rtc-reset-reinjection , query-sev, query-gic-capabilities, just to name some 
few. So unless you provide a patch series to rename *all* of them and 
deprecate the previous names, I don't see the point why changing just one 
single s390x command is necessary.

  Thomas



  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-10  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-30  7:45 [PATCH 0/4] hw/s390x: Alias @dump-skeys -> @dump-s390-skey and deprecate Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-05-30  7:45 ` [PATCH 1/4] hw/s390x: Introduce the @dump-s390-skeys QMP command Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-05-30  7:45 ` [PATCH 2/4] hw/s390x: Introduce the 'dump_s390_skeys' HMP command Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-05-30  7:45 ` [PATCH 3/4] hw/s390x: Deprecate the HMP 'dump_skeys' command Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-05-30  7:45 ` [PATCH 4/4] hw/s390x: Deprecate the QMP @dump-skeys command Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-05-31  4:49   ` Thomas Huth
2024-05-30  8:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] hw/s390x: Alias @dump-skeys -> @dump-s390-skey and deprecate Anton Johansson via
2024-05-31  4:47 ` Thomas Huth
2024-05-31 14:02   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-05-31 16:23     ` Thomas Huth
2024-06-03 17:06       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-03 12:18   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-03 20:54     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-04  4:58       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-06-04  9:45         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-06-04  9:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-04 10:00           ` Markus Armbruster
2024-06-05 11:44             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-10  5:20               ` Markus Armbruster
2024-06-27 16:46                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-03-09 18:55     ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-10  6:50       ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2025-03-10  9:11         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-10 12:30         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-03-09 18:44 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé

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