From: Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu>
To: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
Cc: assad.hashmi@linaro.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
qemu-arm@nongnu.org, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd.bergmann@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: Approaches for same-on-same linux-user execve?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 20:59:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d8dc40c8-73bf-9d8d-e23b-f7054dc06292@vivier.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877deoevj8.fsf@linaro.org>
Le 07/10/2021 à 16:32, Alex Bennée a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I came across a use-case this week for ARM although this may be also
> applicable to architectures where QEMU's emulation is ahead of the
> hardware currently widely available - for example if you want to
> exercise SVE code on AArch64. When the linux-user architecture is not
> the same as the host architecture then binfmt_misc works perfectly fine.
>
> However in the case you are running same-on-same you can't use
> binfmt_misc to redirect execution to using QEMU because any attempt to
> trap native binaries will cause your userspace to hang as binfmt_misc
> will be invoked to run the QEMU binary needed to run your application
> and a deadlock ensues.
>
> There are some hacks you can apply at a local level like tweaking the
> elf header of the binaries you want to run under emulation and adjusting
> the binfmt_mask appropriately. This works but is messy and a faff to
> set-up.
>
> An ideal setup would be would be for the kernel to catch a SIGILL from a
> failing user space program and then to re-launch the process using QEMU
> with the old processes maps and execution state so it could continue.
> However I suspect there are enough moving parts to make this very
> fragile (e.g. what happens to the results of library feature probing
> code). So two approaches I can think of are:
>
> Trap execve in QEMU linux-user
> ------------------------------
>
> We could add a flag to QEMU so at the point of execve it manually
> invokes the new process with QEMU, passing on the flag to persist this
> behaviour.
Another approach can be to use ptrace(PTRACE_SYSEMU) to catch syscalls.
We need a wrapper that loads the first target binary and fork, it attach a ptrace() process and
intercept the syscalls to emulate them as we do in usermode linux.
I was thinking to this solution for instance to execute big-endian program (like ppc64) on
little-endian system (ppc64le).
But I'm not sure it fits in what you need...
>
> Add path mask to binfmt_misc
> ----------------------------
>
> The other option would be to extend binfmt_misc to have a path mask so
> it only applies it's alternative execution scheme to binaries in a
> particular section of the file-system (or maybe some sort of pattern?).
>
> Are there any other approaches you could take? Which do you think has
> the most merit?
I don't know if it can apply to what you want, but I wrote years ago a binfmt namespace that applies
binfmt configuration only on a container but I didn't finish the work (it seems there can be some
security issues in what I did):
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20191216091220.465626-2-laurent@vivier.eu/T/
Thanks,
Laurent
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-07 19:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-07 14:32 Approaches for same-on-same linux-user execve? Alex Bennée
2021-10-07 16:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-10-08 10:44 ` Alex Bennée
2021-10-14 13:01 ` Assad Hashmi
2021-10-07 18:59 ` Laurent Vivier [this message]
2021-10-07 19:13 ` Warner Losh
2021-10-08 11:01 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-08 11:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
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