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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Xiao Guangrong" <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
	"Michal Privoznik" <mprivozn@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Gavin Shan" <gshan@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Maciej S . Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/18] virtio-mem: Expose device memory through multiple memslots
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:58:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <de10b63e-0142-d9c5-8c7a-acf2c58e78cb@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230926185738.277351-1-david@redhat.com>

On 26.09.23 20:57, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Quoting from patch #16:
> 
>      Having large virtio-mem devices that only expose little memory to a VM
>      is currently a problem: we map the whole sparse memory region into the
>      guest using a single memslot, resulting in one gigantic memslot in KVM.
>      KVM allocates metadata for the whole memslot, which can result in quite
>      some memory waste.
> 
>      Assuming we have a 1 TiB virtio-mem device and only expose little (e.g.,
>      1 GiB) memory, we would create a single 1 TiB memslot and KVM has to
>      allocate metadata for that 1 TiB memslot: on x86, this implies allocating
>      a significant amount of memory for metadata:
> 
>      (1) RMAP: 8 bytes per 4 KiB, 8 bytes per 2 MiB, 8 bytes per 1 GiB
>          -> For 1 TiB: 2147483648 + 4194304 + 8192 = ~ 2 GiB (0.2 %)
> 
>          With the TDP MMU (cat /sys/module/kvm/parameters/tdp_mmu) this gets
>          allocated lazily when required for nested VMs
>      (2) gfn_track: 2 bytes per 4 KiB
>          -> For 1 TiB: 536870912 = ~512 MiB (0.05 %)
>      (3) lpage_info: 4 bytes per 2 MiB, 4 bytes per 1 GiB
>          -> For 1 TiB: 2097152 + 4096 = ~2 MiB (0.0002 %)
>      (4) 2x dirty bitmaps for tracking: 2x 1 bit per 4 KiB page
>          -> For 1 TiB: 536870912 = 64 MiB (0.006 %)
> 
>      So we primarily care about (1) and (2). The bad thing is, that the
>      memory consumption doubles once SMM is enabled, because we create the
>      memslot once for !SMM and once for SMM.
> 
>      Having a 1 TiB memslot without the TDP MMU consumes around:
>      * With SMM: 5 GiB
>      * Without SMM: 2.5 GiB
>      Having a 1 TiB memslot with the TDP MMU consumes around:
>      * With SMM: 1 GiB
>      * Without SMM: 512 MiB
> 
>      ... and that's really something we want to optimize, to be able to just
>      start a VM with small boot memory (e.g., 4 GiB) and a virtio-mem device
>      that can grow very large (e.g., 1 TiB).
> 
>      Consequently, using multiple memslots and only mapping the memslots we
>      really need can significantly reduce memory waste and speed up
>      memslot-related operations. Let's expose the sparse RAM memory region using
>      multiple memslots, mapping only the memslots we currently need into our
>      device memory region container.
> 
> The hyper-v balloon driver has similar demands [1].
> 
> For virtio-mem, this has to be turned manually on ("dynamic-memslots=on"),
> due to the interaction with vhost (below).
> 
> If we have less than 509 memslots available, we always default to a single
> memslot. Otherwise, we automatically decide how many memslots to use
> based on a simple heuristic (see patch #12), and try not to use more than
> 256 memslots across all memory devices: our historical DIMM limit.
> 
> As soon as any memory devices automatically decided on using more than
> one memslot, vhost devices that support less than 509 memslots (e.g.,
> currently most vhost-user devices like with virtiofsd) can no longer be
> plugged as a precaution.
> 
> Quoting from patch #12:
> 
>      Plugging vhost devices with less than 509 memslots available while we
>      have memory devices plugged that consume multiple memslots due to
>      automatic decisions can be problematic. Most configurations might just fail
>      due to "limit < used + reserved", however, it can also happen that these
>      memory devices would suddenly consume memslots that would actually be
>      required by other memslot consumers (boot, PCI BARs) later. Note that this
>      has always been sketchy with vhost devices that support only a small number
>      of memslots; but we don't want to make it any worse.So let's keep it simple
>      and simply reject plugging such vhost devices in such a configuration.
> 
>      Eventually, all vhost devices that want to be fully compatible with such
>      memory devices should support a decent number of memslots (>= 509).
> 
> 
> The recommendation is to plug such vhost devices before the virtio-mem
> decides, or to not set "dynamic-memslots=on". As soon as these devices
> support a reasonable number of memslots (>= 509), this will start working
> automatically.
> 
> I run some tests on x86_64, now also including vfio and migration tests.
> Seems to work as expected, even when multiple memslots are used.
> 
> 
> Patch #1 -- #3 are from [2] that were not picked up yet.
> 
> Patch #4 -- #12 add handling of multiple memslots to memory devices
> 
> Patch #13 -- #16 add "dynamic-memslots=on" support to virtio-mem
> 
> Patch #15 -- #16 make sure that virtio-mem memslots can be enabled/disable
>               atomically


If there is no further feedback until the end of the week, I'll queue 
this to mem-next.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-02  9:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-26 18:57 [PATCH v4 00/18] virtio-mem: Expose device memory through multiple memslots David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 01/18] vhost: Rework memslot filtering and fix "used_memslot" tracking David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 02/18] vhost: Remove vhost_backend_can_merge() callback David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 03/18] softmmu/physmem: Fixup qemu_ram_block_from_host() documentation David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 04/18] kvm: Return number of free memslots David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 05/18] vhost: " David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 06/18] memory-device: Support memory devices with multiple memslots David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 07/18] stubs: Rename qmp_memory_device.c to memory_device.c David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 08/18] memory-device: Track required and actually used memslots in DeviceMemoryState David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 09/18] memory-device, vhost: Support memory devices that dynamically consume memslots David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 10/18] kvm: Add stub for kvm_get_max_memslots() David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 11/18] vhost: Add vhost_get_max_memslots() David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 12/18] memory-device, vhost: Support automatic decision on the number of memslots David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 13/18] memory: Clarify mapping requirements for RamDiscardManager David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 14/18] virtio-mem: Pass non-const VirtIOMEM via virtio_mem_range_cb David Hildenbrand
2023-09-28 17:41   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 15/18] virtio-mem: Update state to match bitmap as soon as it's been migrated David Hildenbrand
2023-09-30 15:50   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 16/18] virtio-mem: Expose device memory dynamically via multiple memslots if enabled David Hildenbrand
2023-09-30 17:31   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2023-10-02  8:57     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 17/18] memory, vhost: Allow for marking memory device memory regions unmergeable David Hildenbrand
2023-09-26 18:57 ` [PATCH v4 18/18] virtio-mem: Mark memslot alias " David Hildenbrand
2023-10-02  8:58 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-10-03 13:39 ` [PATCH v4 00/18] virtio-mem: Expose device memory through multiple memslots Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  9:29   ` David Hildenbrand

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