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From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] meson: mitigate against use of uninitialize stack for exploits
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 12:15:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e49485e5-c75a-27f1-7ad3-899b1c208077@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c28a1d44-8e7e-a351-8efa-28566e9fc306@redhat.com>

On 09/10/2023 09.44, Thomas Huth wrote:
> On 05/10/2023 19.38, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>> When variables are used without being initialized, there is potential
>> to take advantage of data that was pre-existing on the stack from an
>> earlier call, to drive an exploit.
>>
>> It is good practice to always initialize variables, and the compiler
>> can warn about flaws when -Wuninitialized is present. This warning,
>> however, is by no means foolproof with its output varying depending
>> on compiler version and which optimizations are enabled.
>>
>> The -ftrivial-auto-var-init option can be used to tell the compiler
>> to always initialize all variables. This increases the security and
>> predictability of the program, closing off certain attack vectors,
>> reducing the risk of unsafe memory disclosure.
>>
>> While the option takes several possible values, using 'zero' is
>> considered to be the  option that is likely to lead to semantically
>> correct or safe behaviour[1]. eg sizes/indexes are not likely to
>> lead to out-of-bounds accesses when initialized to zero. Pointers
>> are less likely to point something useful if initialized to zero.
>>
>> Even with -ftrivial-auto-var-init=zero set, GCC will still issue
...
>> +    '-ftrivial-var-auto-init=zero',
>>   ]

There is something fishy here: In the commit description, you write about 
"-ftrivial-auto-var-init" but in the code you use "-ftrivial-var-auto-init" 
... that looks wrong to me, please fix!

> I was a little bit torn about using =zero when I first read your patch, but 
> after looking at [1], I tend now also tend to agree that =zero is likely the 
> best choice.

Thinking about this twice: What about using -ftrivial-var-auto-init=pattern 
for --enable-debug builds, and only use the "zero" init for non-debug 
builds? ... that would prevent that people blindly rely on this "language 
extension".

  Thomas




  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-09 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-05 17:38 [PATCH 0/2] topic: meson: add more compiler hardening flags Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-05 17:38 ` [PATCH 1/2] meson: mitigate against ROP exploits with -fzero-call-used-regs Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-09  7:35   ` Thomas Huth
2023-10-05 17:38 ` [PATCH 2/2] meson: mitigate against use of uninitialize stack for exploits Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-09  7:44   ` Thomas Huth
2023-10-09 10:15     ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2023-10-09 11:05       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-09  7:21 ` [PATCH 0/2] topic: meson: add more compiler hardening flags Thomas Huth
2023-10-09  8:32   ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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