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From: Hanna Czenczek <hreitz@redhat.com>
To: Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-fs@redhat.com,
	German Maglione <gmaglione@redhat.com>,
	Anton Kuchin <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] vhost-user: Interface for migration state transfer
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 12:45:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e4cc0882-c6e0-a830-45d6-e3aab398ab98@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJaqyWegMfuc8s6bKdxdM4uVixmhy-F3xUUyOCYS1yGDXoiVZA@mail.gmail.com>

On 14.04.23 17:17, Eugenio Perez Martin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 7:55 PM Hanna Czenczek <hreitz@redhat.com> wrote:

[...]

>> Basically, what I’m hearing is that I need to implement a different
>> feature that has no practical impact right now, and also fix bugs around
>> it along the way...
>>
> To fix this properly requires iterative device migration in qemu as
> far as I know, instead of using VMStates [1]. This way the state is
> requested to virtiofsd before the device reset.
>
> What does virtiofsd do when the state is totally sent? Does it keep
> processing requests and generating new state or is only a one shot
> that will suspend the daemon? If it is the second I think it still can
> be done in one shot at the end, always indicating "no more state" at
> save_live_pending and sending all the state at
> save_live_complete_precopy.

This sounds to me as if we should reset all devices during migration, 
and I don’t understand that.  virtiofsd will not immediately process 
requests when the state is sent, because the device is still stopped, 
but when it is re-enabled (e.g. because of a failed migration), it will 
have retained its state and continue processing requests as if nothing 
happened.  A reset would break this and other stateful back-ends, as I 
think Stefan has mentioned somewhere else.

It seems to me as if there are devices that need a reset, and so need 
suspend+resume around it, but I also think there are back-ends that 
don’t, where this would only unnecessarily complicate the back-end 
implementation.

Hanna



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-19 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-11 15:05 [PATCH 0/4] vhost-user-fs: Internal migration Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-11 15:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] vhost: Re-enable vrings after setting features Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-12 10:55   ` German Maglione
2023-04-12 12:18     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-12 20:51   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13  7:17     ` Maxime Coquelin
2023-04-13  8:19     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-13 11:03       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13 14:24         ` Anton Kuchin
2023-04-13 15:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 11:03   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13 17:32     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-13 13:19   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-11 15:05 ` [PATCH 2/4] vhost-user: Interface for migration state transfer Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-12 21:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13  9:24     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-13 11:38       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13 17:55         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-13 20:42           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-14 15:17           ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-17 15:18             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-17 18:55               ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-17 19:08                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-17 19:11                   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-17 19:46                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-18 10:09                       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-19 10:45             ` Hanna Czenczek [this message]
2023-04-19 10:57               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13 10:14     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-13 11:07       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13 17:31       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-17 15:12         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-19 10:47           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-17 18:37         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-17 15:38       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-17 19:09         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-17 19:33           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-18  8:09             ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-18 17:59               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-18 18:31                 ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-18 20:40                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-20 13:27                     ` Eugenio Pérez
2023-05-08 19:12                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-09  6:31                         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-09  9:01                           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-09 15:26                             ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-19 10:57                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-19 11:10                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-19 11:15                     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-19 11:24                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-17 17:14       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-17 19:06         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-17 19:20           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-18  7:54             ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-19 11:10               ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-19 11:21                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-19 11:24                   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-20 13:29                   ` Eugenio Pérez
2023-05-08 20:10                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-09  6:45                       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-09 15:09                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-09 15:35                           ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-09 17:33                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-20 10:44                 ` Eugenio Pérez
2023-04-13  8:50   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-04-13  9:25     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-11 15:05 ` [PATCH 3/4] vhost: Add high-level state save/load functions Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-12 21:14   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13  9:04     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-13 11:22       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-11 15:05 ` [PATCH 4/4] vhost-user-fs: Implement internal migration Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 0/4] vhost-user-fs: Internal migration Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-04-13  8:20   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-04-13 16:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-13 17:53   ` [Virtio-fs] " Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-04 16:05 ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-04 21:14   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-05  9:03     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-05  9:51       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-05 14:26         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-05 14:37           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-08 17:00             ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-08 17:51               ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-08 19:31                 ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-09  8:59                   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-09 15:30           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-09 15:43             ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-05  9:53       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2023-05-05 12:51         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-08 21:10           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-09  8:53             ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-05-09 14:53               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-05-09 15:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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