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From: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: libvir-list@redhat.com, andrea.righi@canonical.com,
	Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [libvirt RFC] virFile: new VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE to improve performance
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2022 21:58:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec74fb54-a00b-1705-e9cc-3b9b59e91505@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yj2aa9OXv2CTQi/j@redhat.com>

Hi Daniel,

On 3/25/22 11:33 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 02:34:29PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>> On 3/17/22 4:03 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
>>> * Claudio Fontana (cfontana@suse.de) wrote:
>>>> On 3/17/22 2:41 PM, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>>>>> On 3/17/22 11:25 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:12:11AM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/16/22 1:17 PM, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/14/22 6:48 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 06:38:31PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/14/22 6:17 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 05:30:01PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first user is the qemu driver,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> virsh save/resume would slow to a crawl with a default pipe size (64k).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This improves the situation by 400%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Going through io_helper still seems to incur in some penalty (~15%-ish)
>>>>>>>>>>>> compared with direct qemu migration to a nc socket to a file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>  src/qemu/qemu_driver.c    |  6 +++---
>>>>>>>>>>>>  src/qemu/qemu_saveimage.c | 11 ++++++-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>  src/util/virfile.c        | 12 ++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>  src/util/virfile.h        |  1 +
>>>>>>>>>>>>  4 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I initially thought this to be a qemu performance issue,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so you can find the discussion about this in qemu-devel:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Re: bad virsh save /dev/null performance (600 MiB/s max)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2022-03/msg03142.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Current results show these experimental averages maximum throughput
>>>>>>> migrating to /dev/null per each FdWrapper Pipe Size (as per QEMU QMP
>>>>>>> "query-migrate", tests repeated 5 times for each).
>>>>>>> VM Size is 60G, most of the memory effectively touched before migration,
>>>>>>> through user application allocating and touching all memory with
>>>>>>> pseudorandom data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 64K:     5200 Mbps (current situation)
>>>>>>> 128K:    5800 Mbps
>>>>>>> 256K:   20900 Mbps
>>>>>>> 512K:   21600 Mbps
>>>>>>> 1M:     22800 Mbps
>>>>>>> 2M:     22800 Mbps
>>>>>>> 4M:     22400 Mbps
>>>>>>> 8M:     22500 Mbps
>>>>>>> 16M:    22800 Mbps
>>>>>>> 32M:    22900 Mbps
>>>>>>> 64M:    22900 Mbps
>>>>>>> 128M:   22800 Mbps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This above is the throughput out of patched libvirt with multiple Pipe Sizes for the FDWrapper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, its bouncing around with noise after 1 MB. So I'd suggest that
>>>>>> libvirt attempt to raise the pipe limit to 1 MB by default, but
>>>>>> not try to go higher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the theoretical limit for the libvirt architecture,
>>>>>>> I ran a qemu migration directly issuing the appropriate QMP
>>>>>>> commands, setting the same migration parameters as per libvirt,
>>>>>>> and then migrating to a socket netcatted to /dev/null via
>>>>>>> {"execute": "migrate", "arguments": { "uri", "unix:///tmp/netcat.sock" } } :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> QMP:    37000 Mbps
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So although the Pipe size improves things (in particular the
>>>>>>> large jump is for the 256K size, although 1M seems a very good value),
>>>>>>> there is still a second bottleneck in there somewhere that
>>>>>>> accounts for a loss of ~14200 Mbps in throughput.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting addition: I tested quickly on a system with faster cpus and larger VM sizes, up to 200GB,
>>>> and the difference in throughput libvirt vs qemu is basically the same ~14500 Mbps.
>>>>
>>>> ~50000 mbps qemu to netcat socket to /dev/null
>>>> ~35500 mbps virsh save to /dev/null
>>>>
>>>> Seems it is not proportional to cpu speed by the looks of it (not a totally fair comparison because the VM sizes are different).
>>>
>>> It might be closer to RAM or cache bandwidth limited though; for an extra copy.
>>
>> I was thinking about sendfile(2) in iohelper, but that probably can't work as the input fd is a socket, I am getting EINVAL.
>>
>> One thing that I noticed is:
>>
>> ommit afe6e58aedcd5e27ea16184fed90b338569bd042
>> Author: Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>
>> Date:   Mon Feb 6 14:40:48 2012 +0100
>>
>>     util: Generalize virFileDirectFd
>>     
>>     virFileDirectFd was used for accessing files opened with O_DIRECT using
>>     libvirt_iohelper. We will want to use the helper for accessing files
>>     regardless on O_DIRECT and thus virFileDirectFd was generalized and
>>     renamed to virFileWrapperFd.
>>
>>
>> And in particular the comment in src/util/virFile.c:
>>
>>     /* XXX support posix_fadvise rather than O_DIRECT, if the kernel support                                                                                                 
>>      * for that is decent enough. In that case, we will also need to                                                                                                         
>>      * explicitly support VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_NON_BLOCKING since                                                                                                                
>>      * VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BYPASS_CACHE alone will no longer require spawning                                                                                                   
>>      * iohelper.                                                                                                                                                             
>>      */
>>
>> by Jiri Denemark.
>>
>> I have lots of questions here, and I tried to involve Jiri and Andrea Righi here, who a long time ago proposed a POSIX_FADV_NOREUSE implementation.
>>
>> 1) What is the reason iohelper was introduced?
> 
> With POSIX you can't get sensible results from poll() on FDs associated with
> plain files. It will always report the file as readable/writable, and the
> userspace caller will get blocked any time the I/O operation causes the
> kernel to read/write from the underlying (potentially very slow) storage.
> 
> IOW if you give QEMU an FD associated with a plain file and tell it to
> migrate to that, the guest OS will get stalled.
> 
> To avoid this we have to give QEMU an FD that is NOT a plain file, but
> rather something on which poll() works correctly to avoid blocking. This
> essentially means a socket or pipe FD.
> 
> Here enters the iohelper - we give QEMU a pipe whose other end is the
> iohelper. The iohelper suffers from blocking on read/write but that
> doesn't matter, because QEMU is isolated from this via the pipe.


I am still puzzled by this, when we migrate to a file via virsh save in qemu_saveimage.c ,
we suspend the guest anyway right?

But maybe there is some other problem that triggers?

In the Restore code, ie qemuSaveImageOpen(), we say:

    if (bypass_cache &&
        !(*wrapperFd = virFileWrapperFdNew(&fd, path,
                                           VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BYPASS_CACHE)))
        return -1;

why don't we make the wrapper conditional on bypass_cache in the Save code too, in qemuSaveImageCreate?

I ask because I tried this change:

commit ae7dff45f10be78d1555e3f302f337e72afa300c
Author: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
Date:   Sun Apr 10 12:33:37 2022 -0600

    only use wrapper if you want to skip the filesystem cache
    
    Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>

diff --git a/src/qemu/qemu_saveimage.c b/src/qemu/qemu_saveimage.c
index 4fd4c5cfcd..5ea1b2fbcc 100644
--- a/src/qemu/qemu_saveimage.c
+++ b/src/qemu/qemu_saveimage.c
@@ -289,8 +289,10 @@ qemuSaveImageCreate(virQEMUDriver *driver,
     if (qemuSecuritySetImageFDLabel(driver->securityManager, vm->def, fd) < 0)
         goto cleanup;
 
-    if (!(wrapperFd = virFileWrapperFdNew(&fd, path, wrapperFlags)))
-        goto cleanup;
+    if ((flags & VIR_DOMAIN_SAVE_BYPASS_CACHE)) {
+        if (!(wrapperFd = virFileWrapperFdNew(&fd, path, wrapperFlags)))
+            goto cleanup;
+    }
 
     if (virQEMUSaveDataWrite(data, fd, path) < 0)
         goto cleanup;



and I got a pretty good performance improvement, where it would be better in my use case not to use O_DIRECT anymore,
and nothing prohibits to still use O_DIRECT if desired.

I get these results with a 90 G VM with this patch applied:

# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
# time virsh save centos7 /vm_images/claudio/savevm --bypass-cache
Domain 'centos7' saved to /vm_images/claudio/savevm
real	2m9.368s

# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
# time virsh save centos7 /vm_images/claudio/savevm
Domain 'centos7' saved to /vm_images/claudio/savevm
real	0m42.155s

and now without this patch applied:

# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
# time virsh save centos7 /vm_images/claudio/savevm --bypass-cache
Domain 'centos7' saved to /vm_images/claudio/savevm
real	2m10.468s

# echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
# time virsh save centos7 /vm_images/claudio/savevm
Domain 'centos7' saved to /vm_images/claudio/savevm
real	2m6.142s


I'll rerun the numbers again next week on a machine with better cpu if possible.

Thanks,

Claudio

> 
> In theory we could just spawn a thread inside libvirtd todo the same
> as the iohelper, but using a separate helper process is more robust
> 
> If not using libvirt, you would use QEMU's 'exec:' migration protocol
> with 'dd' or 'cat' for the same reasons. Libvirt provides the iohelper
> so we don't have to deal with portibility questions around 'dd' syntax
> and can add features like O_DIRECT that cat lacks.
> 
>> 2) Was Jiri's comment about the missing linux implementation of POSIX_FADV_NOREUSE?
>>
>> 3) if using O_DIRECT is the only reason for iohelper to exist (...?), would replacing it with posix_fadvise remove the need for iohelper?
> 
> We can't remove the iohelper for the reason above.
> 
>> 4) What has stopped Andreas' or another POSIX_FADV_NOREUSE implementation in the kernel?
> 
> With regards,
> Daniel
> 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-10 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <Yi94mQUfrxMVbiLM@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <34eb53b5-78f7-3814-b71e-aa7ac59f9d25@suse.de>
     [not found]     ` <Yi+ACeaZ+oXTVYjc@redhat.com>
     [not found]       ` <2d1248d4-ebdf-43f9-e4a7-95f586aade8e@suse.de>
2022-03-17 10:12         ` [libvirt RFC] virFile: new VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE to improve performance Claudio Fontana
2022-03-17 10:25           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-17 13:41             ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-17 14:14               ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-17 15:03                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-03-18 13:34                   ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-21  7:55                     ` Andrea Righi
2022-03-25  9:56                       ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-25 10:33                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-25 10:56                       ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-25 11:14                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-25 11:16                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-04-10 19:58                       ` Claudio Fontana [this message]
2022-03-25 11:29                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-26 15:49                       ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-26 17:38                         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-28  8:31                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-28  9:19                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-28  9:41                             ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-28  9:31                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-04-05  8:35                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-04-05  9:23                               ` Claudio Fontana
2022-04-07  7:11                               ` Claudio Fontana
2022-04-07 13:53                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-04-07 13:57                                   ` Claudio Fontana
2022-04-11 18:21                                     ` Claudio Fontana
2022-04-11 18:53                                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-04-12  9:04                                         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-28 10:47                         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-03-28 13:28                           ` Claudio Fontana

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