From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
peter.maydell@linaro.org, ddutile@redhat.com,
berrange@redhat.com, nathanc@nvidia.com, mochs@nvidia.com,
smostafa@google.com, linuxarm@huawei.com,
wangzhou1@hisilicon.com, jiangkunkun@huawei.com,
jonathan.cameron@huawei.com, zhangfei.gao@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 03/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Add initial infrastructure for smmuv3-accel device
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 15:08:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <efbec6a4-e37a-4fa1-ad4a-7294521ee947@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250319003135.GH9311@nvidia.com>
Hi Jason,
On 3/19/25 1:31 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 07:31:36PM +0100, Eric Auger wrote:
>> Nevertheless I don't think anything prevents the acceleration granted
>> device from also working with virtio/vhost devices for instance unless
>> you unplug the existing infra.
> If the accel mode is using something like vcmdq then it is not
> possible to work since the invalidations won't even be trapped.
I acknowledged I was more focused on the case without vcmdq which was
addressed in the past and now I better see the problem.
>
> Even in the case where we trap the invalidations it sure is
> complicated.. invalidation is done by ASID which is not obviously
> related to any specific device. An ASID could be hidden inside a CD
> table that is being HW accessed and also inside a CD table that is SW
> accessed. The VMM has no way to know what is going on so you'd end up
> forced to replicate all the ASID invalidations. :\
Nevertheless I think we shall also support the case without vcmdq
(currently supported in this series). And this one looks more compatible
with emulated devices althout less optimized.
>
> It just doesn't seem worthwhile to try to make it all work.
>
> I'd suggest arranging to share some of the SMMUv3 emulation code,
> maybe with a library/headerfile or something, but I think it does make
> sense they would be different implementations given how completely
> different they should be.
I agree with can do our utmost to separate implementations. I more
concerned about having libvirt guessing what kind of devices it shall use.
on x86 libvirt needs to use -device intel-iommu,caching-mode=on if one
wants to protect a VFIO device. So this looks like similar to adding
accel=on on ARM.
Eric
>
> Jason
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-24 14:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-11 14:10 [RFC PATCH v2 00/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3 Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/20] backends/iommufd: Introduce iommufd_backend_alloc_viommu Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 15:20 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/20] backends/iommufd: Introduce iommufd_vdev_alloc Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 15:25 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Add initial infrastructure for smmuv3-accel device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 20:13 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 15:15 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-17 17:54 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-17 18:07 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-17 19:10 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-17 19:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-17 20:19 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-18 9:50 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-18 18:31 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 19:13 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-18 21:22 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 0:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 2:15 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 17:00 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 17:12 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 17:38 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 0:55 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 17:04 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 0:54 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-24 14:52 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 0:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 5:27 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 14:08 ` Eric Auger [this message]
2025-03-18 21:42 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 16:45 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 16:53 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 17:26 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 17:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 17:41 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 17:14 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-19 18:09 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-19 18:34 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 14:46 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 1:26 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-24 14:59 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for smmuv3-accel Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 20:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 9:44 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 15:36 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 15:46 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 16:22 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:27 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 17:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 18:30 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-13 8:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-13 15:22 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 22:49 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 9:28 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Associate a pxb-pcie bus Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 16:07 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 16:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 16:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-12 17:28 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-13 15:21 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-12 16:42 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-13 8:22 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 16:57 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 22:12 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 9:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 16:21 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 18:21 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-21 0:59 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-24 14:56 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-24 15:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-24 21:43 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-20 17:02 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 8:19 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 13:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-24 13:55 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 15:34 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-24 16:01 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-24 16:06 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-24 15:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/20] hw/arm/smmu-common: Factor out common helper functions and export Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 16:12 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/20] hw/arm/smmu-common: Introduce callbacks for PCIIOMMUOps Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-12 16:23 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-13 8:09 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 16:52 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-18 9:47 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-12 17:10 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Provide get_address_space callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 20:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 17:14 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Add set/unset_iommu_device callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-11 21:07 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-17 8:38 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-17 18:19 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-12 12:52 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Support nested STE install/uninstall support Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-25 18:08 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-25 19:33 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Allocate a vDEVICE object for device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-18 23:30 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-25 18:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Return sysmem if stage-1 is bypassed Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-25 18:47 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Introduce helpers to batch and issue cache invalidations Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 1:31 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 9:48 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-19 16:24 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-19 16:48 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-26 13:38 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:16 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 7:46 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-27 8:00 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 13:59 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/20] hw/arm/smmuv3: Install nested ste for CFGI_STE Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 13:39 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/20] hw/arm/smmuv3: Forward invalidation commands to hw Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 14:16 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:27 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 8:03 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 14:18 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Read host SMMUv3 device info Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 2:45 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-26 14:57 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/20] hw/arm/smmuv3: Check idr registers for STE_S1CDMAX and STE_S1STALLD Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 17:18 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:46 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 7:54 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-27 9:11 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-27 13:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/20] hw/arm/smmu-common: Bypass emulated IOTLB for a accel SMMUv3 Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 2:52 ` Donald Dutile
2025-03-26 17:40 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 19:57 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/20] hw/arm/virt-acpi-build: Update IORT with multiple smmuv3-accel nodes Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-26 18:14 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-26 18:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-03-27 9:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-11 14:10 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/20] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Enable smmuv3-accel creation Shameer Kolothum via
2025-03-19 16:40 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/20] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 17:13 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-25 14:42 ` Eric Auger
2025-03-25 15:43 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-03-25 18:26 ` Nicolin Chen via
2025-03-25 18:52 ` Eric Auger
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