* [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? @ 2008-03-15 14:01 Peter Volkov 2008-03-15 14:20 ` Paul Brook 2008-03-15 20:35 ` Blue Swirl 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-15 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2407 bytes --] Hello. I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. The problem gentoo is that previous versions are known to be affected to security vulnerability so we'll have to mask it soon, while version which does not build successfully will be masked too as there is no reason to keep broken package in stable. Could anybody of developers suggest anything on this issue? Thank you very much in advance! The actual build error: gcc -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-reorder-blocks -fno-gcse -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-crossjumping -fno-align-labels -fno-align-jumps -fno-align-functions -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -I. -I.. -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386 -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05 -MMD -MP -DNEED_CPU_H -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/tcg -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/tcg/i386 -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/fpu -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/linux-user -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/linux-user/i386 -c -o op.o /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/op.c /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/ops_sse.h: In function `op_psrlq_mmx': /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/ops_sse.h:213: error: unable to find a register to spill in class `GENERAL_REGS' /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/ops_sse.h:213: error: this is the insn: (insn:HI 36 35 37 3 /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/ops_sse.h:207 (parallel [ (set (reg:DI 63 [ <variable>.q ]) (lshiftrt:DI (reg:DI 63 [ <variable>.q ]) (subreg:QI (reg/v:SI 60 [ shift ]) 0))) (clobber (scratch:SI)) (clobber (reg:CC 17 flags)) ]) 309 {lshrdi3_1} (insn_list 33 (insn_list 35 (nil))) (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg/v:SI 60 [ shift ]) (expr_list:REG_UNUSED (reg:CC 17 flags) (expr_list:REG_UNUSED (scratch:SI) (nil))))) -- Peter. [-- Attachment #2: Эта часть сообщения подписана цифровой подписью --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? 2008-03-15 14:01 [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-15 14:20 ` Paul Brook 2008-03-15 15:13 ` Peter Volkov 2008-03-15 18:25 ` Stefan Weil 2008-03-15 20:35 ` Blue Swirl 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Paul Brook @ 2008-03-15 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel; +Cc: Peter Volkov On Saturday 15 March 2008, Peter Volkov wrote: > Hello. > > I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: > bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that > qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot > (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. You're almost certainly using gcc4.x. Don't do that. IIRC gentoo already has a big pile hacks for this. This kind of breakage is exactly why those hacks haven't been merged into cvs. They're papering over the problem rather than fixing it, so you should expect them to need constant maintenance. As mentioned several times on this recently on this list, the proper fix is to finish the TCG conversion. That will happen "when it's done". Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? 2008-03-15 14:20 ` Paul Brook @ 2008-03-15 15:13 ` Peter Volkov 2008-03-15 19:45 ` Alexander Graf [not found] ` <200803151150.06813.computers57@hotmail.com> 2008-03-15 18:25 ` Stefan Weil 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-15 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Paul Brook; +Cc: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1589 bytes --] В Сбт, 15/03/2008 в 14:20 +0000, Paul Brook пишет: > On Saturday 15 March 2008, Peter Volkov wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: > > bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that > > qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot > > (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. > > You're almost certainly using gcc4.x. Don't do that. Paul, thank you for you answer. I do have gcc-4 installed on my system but I'm sure that I'm using gcc-3.4: > gcc --version gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r2 p1.5, ssp-3.4.6-1.0, pie-8.7.10) As I read FAQ this version should be supported. I've tried to build gcc without patches (ssp, pie, C++ support and some gentoo specific patches) but qemu build process still fails at the same place... > IIRC gentoo already has a big pile hacks for this. This kind of breakage is > exactly why those hacks haven't been merged into cvs. They're papering over > the problem rather than fixing it, so you should expect them to need constant > maintenance. Sorry, but what hacks are you talking about? The only hack I'm aware about is that all system is build with newer compiler while to build qemu I have to install old gcc. > As mentioned several times on this recently on this list, the proper fix is to > finish the TCG conversion. That will happen "when it's done". Eh, I saw you talking about this and I'm aware that this will definitely take time. That's why I asked for suggestion... -- Peter. [-- Attachment #2: Эта часть сообщения подписана цифровой подписью --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? 2008-03-15 15:13 ` Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-15 19:45 ` Alexander Graf [not found] ` <200803151150.06813.computers57@hotmail.com> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Alexander Graf @ 2008-03-15 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1945 bytes --] Peter Volkov wrote: > В Сбт, 15/03/2008 в 14:20 +0000, Paul Brook пишет: > >> On Saturday 15 March 2008, Peter Volkov wrote: >> >>> Hello. >>> >>> I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: >>> bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that >>> qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot >>> (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. >>> >> You're almost certainly using gcc4.x. Don't do that. >> > > Paul, thank you for you answer. I do have gcc-4 installed on my system > but I'm sure that I'm using gcc-3.4: > > >> gcc --version >> > gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r2 p1.5, ssp-3.4.6-1.0, pie-8.7.10) > > As I read FAQ this version should be supported. I've tried to build gcc > without patches (ssp, pie, C++ support and some gentoo specific patches) > but qemu build process still fails at the same place... > > >> IIRC gentoo already has a big pile hacks for this. This kind of breakage is >> exactly why those hacks haven't been merged into cvs. They're papering over >> the problem rather than fixing it, so you should expect them to need constant >> maintenance. >> > > Sorry, but what hacks are you talking about? The only hack I'm aware > about is that all system is build with newer compiler while to build > qemu I have to install old gcc. > > >> As mentioned several times on this recently on this list, the proper fix is to >> finish the TCG conversion. That will happen "when it's done". >> > > Eh, I saw you talking about this and I'm aware that this will definitely > take time. That's why I asked for suggestion... > > For the time being you could try the appended patch. It makes x86 on x86 slower though, but should enable you to have a working build at all. I am not 100% sure if it actually does help in your case though. Alex [-- Attachment #2: qemu-reghack.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 258 bytes --] --- a/target-i386/op.c +++ b/target-i386/op.c @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ * Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA */ -#define ASM_SOFTMMU +//#define ASM_SOFTMMU #include "exec.h" /* n must be a constant to be efficient */ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? [not found] ` <200803160001.52124.computers57@hotmail.com> @ 2008-03-16 6:01 ` C.W. Betts 2008-03-16 13:11 ` Peter Volkov 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: C.W. Betts @ 2008-03-16 6:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel; +Cc: Peter Volkov, Paul Brook [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1979 bytes --] On Saturday 15 March 2008 09:13:02 am Peter Volkov wrote: > В Сбт, 15/03/2008 в 14:20 +0000, Paul Brook пишет: > > On Saturday 15 March 2008, Peter Volkov wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: > > > bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that > > > qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot > > > (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. > > > > You're almost certainly using gcc4.x. Don't do that. > > Paul, thank you for you answer. I do have gcc-4 installed on my system > > but I'm sure that I'm using gcc-3.4: > > gcc --version Try setting the compiler flags to use -march=pentium-mmx . That is the max setting for -march that qemu compiles on. also, make sure that the compiler isn't sending any of the -msse functions. I tried to build qemu using -msse -march=pentium3 and it spat out the same thing. > gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r2 p1.5, ssp-3.4.6-1.0, pie-8.7.10) > > As I read FAQ this version should be supported. I've tried to build gcc > without patches (ssp, pie, C++ support and some gentoo specific patches) > but qemu build process still fails at the same place... > > > IIRC gentoo already has a big pile hacks for this. This kind of > > breakage is exactly why those hacks haven't been merged into cvs. > > They're papering over the problem rather than fixing it, so you should > > expect them to need constant maintenance. > > Sorry, but what hacks are you talking about? The only hack I'm aware > about is that all system is build with newer compiler while to build > qemu I have to install old gcc. > > > As mentioned several times on this recently on this list, the proper > > fix is to finish the TCG conversion. That will happen "when it's done". > > Eh, I saw you talking about this and I'm aware that this will definitely > take time. That's why I asked for suggestion... [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 194 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? [not found] ` <200803160001.52124.computers57@hotmail.com> 2008-03-16 6:01 ` C.W. Betts @ 2008-03-16 13:11 ` Peter Volkov 2008-03-16 16:20 ` Blue Swirl 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-16 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: C.W. Betts; +Cc: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1190 bytes --] В Вск, 16/03/2008 в 00:01 -0600, C.W. Betts пишет: > Try setting the compiler flags to use -march=pentium-mmx . That is the max > setting for -march that qemu compiles on. also, make sure that the compiler > isn't sending any of the -msse functions. > > I tried to build qemu using -msse -march=pentium3 and it spat out the same > thing. Well with -march=pentium-mmx it works, although it occurs that $ export CFLAGS="-march=pentium-mmx" is not enough. I have to path CFLAGS to make with $ emake OS_CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" CFLAGS are prefixed at the beginning of the compilation command ands seems that -g -O2 which will go later redefine something which in turn cause the build to fail and OS_CFLAGS passes -march after -g -O2. Also strange thing is that if I try to disable all sse thing in compiler appending -mno-sse{,2,3} -mfpmath=387 qemu does not builds. Either I miss something or sse is not the only problem. Two patches suggested here by Alexander and Blue did no difference here. But in any case we have at least one working solution here and it's better than nothing. Your suggestions here were very helpful! Thank you all! -- Peter. [-- Attachment #2: Эта часть сообщения подписана цифровой подписью --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? 2008-03-16 13:11 ` Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-16 16:20 ` Blue Swirl [not found] ` <200803191436.55827.computers57@hotmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Blue Swirl @ 2008-03-16 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1275 bytes --] On 3/16/08, Peter Volkov <pva@gentoo.org> wrote: > В Вск, 16/03/2008 в 00:01 -0600, C.W. Betts пишет: > > > Try setting the compiler flags to use -march=pentium-mmx . That is the max > > setting for -march that qemu compiles on. also, make sure that the compiler > > isn't sending any of the -msse functions. > > > > I tried to build qemu using -msse -march=pentium3 and it spat out the same > > thing. > > > Well with -march=pentium-mmx it works, although it occurs that > $ export CFLAGS="-march=pentium-mmx" > is not enough. I have to path CFLAGS to make with > $ emake OS_CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" > CFLAGS are prefixed at the beginning of the compilation command ands > seems that -g -O2 which will go later redefine something which in turn > cause the build to fail and OS_CFLAGS passes -march after -g -O2. > > Also strange thing is that if I try to disable all sse thing in compiler > appending -mno-sse{,2,3} -mfpmath=387 qemu does not builds. Either I > miss something or sse is not the only problem. > > Two patches suggested here by Alexander and Blue did no difference here. Please try this patch and if it fails, report also the compiler error message. I'm trying to find the range of instructions that need to be converted to TCG helpers. [-- Attachment #2: sse_test.diff --] [-- Type: plain/text, Size: 1556 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? [not found] ` <200803191436.55827.computers57@hotmail.com> @ 2008-03-19 20:36 ` C.W. Betts 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: C.W. Betts @ 2008-03-19 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel; +Cc: Blue Swirl [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3332 bytes --] On Sunday 16 March 2008 10:20:30 am Blue Swirl wrote: > On 3/16/08, Peter Volkov <pva@gentoo.org> wrote: > > В Вск, 16/03/2008 в 00:01 -0600, C.W. Betts пишет: > > > Try setting the compiler flags to use -march=pentium-mmx . That is the > > > max > > > > > > setting for -march that qemu compiles on. also, make sure that the > > > compiler isn't sending any of the -msse functions. > > > > > > I tried to build qemu using -msse -march=pentium3 and it spat out the > > > same thing. > > > > Well with -march=pentium-mmx it works, although it occurs that > > $ export CFLAGS="-march=pentium-mmx" > > is not enough. I have to path CFLAGS to make with > > $ emake OS_CFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" > > CFLAGS are prefixed at the beginning of the compilation command ands > > seems that -g -O2 which will go later redefine something which in turn > > cause the build to fail and OS_CFLAGS passes -march after -g -O2. > > > > Also strange thing is that if I try to disable all sse thing in compiler > > appending -mno-sse{,2,3} -mfpmath=387 qemu does not builds. Either I > > miss something or sse is not the only problem. > > > > Two patches suggested here by Alexander and Blue did no difference here. > > Please try this patch and if it fails, report also the compiler error > message. > > I'm trying to find the range of instructions that need to be converted > to TCG helpers. Okay, the patch makes op.c and translate.c compile. I did have a problem with trying to get the makefile to compile op.c with the additional flags, but I worked around it. However, now the helper.c file spits out: gcc-3.4 -fomit-frame-pointer -I. -I.. -I/home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386 -I/home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched -MMD -MP -DNEED_CPU_H -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/tcg -I/home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/tcg/i386 -I/home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/fpu -DHAS_AUDIO -DHAS_AUDIO_CHOICE -I/home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/slirp -mfpmath=sse -march=pentium3 -msse -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -mfpmath=sse -march=pentium3 -msse -m32 -c -o helper.o /home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386/helper.c /home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386/helper.c: In function `svm_check_intercept_param': /home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386/helper.c:4375: error: unable to find a register to spill in class `GENERAL_REGS' /home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386/helper.c:4375: error: this is the insn: (insn:HI 353 352 354 39 /home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386/helper.c:4368 (parallel [ (set (reg:DI 167 [ <variable>.intercept ]) (lshiftrt:DI (reg:DI 167 [ <variable>.intercept ]) (subreg:QI (reg:SI 166) 0))) (clobber (scratch:SI)) (clobber (reg:CC 17 flags)) ]) 309 {lshrdi3_1} (insn_list 351 (insn_list 352 (nil))) (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 166) (expr_list:REG_UNUSED (reg:CC 17 flags) (expr_list:REG_UNUSED (scratch:SI) (nil))))) /home/test/makestuff/qemu-patched/target-i386/helper.c:4375: confused by earlier errors, bailing out make: *** [helper.o] Error 1 This is only on the i386 target. When I compile the x86_64 target, it works just fine. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 6167 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 194 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? 2008-03-15 14:20 ` Paul Brook 2008-03-15 15:13 ` Peter Volkov @ 2008-03-15 18:25 ` Stefan Weil 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Stefan Weil @ 2008-03-15 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel Paul Brook schrieb: > On Saturday 15 March 2008, Peter Volkov wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: >> bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that >> qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot >> (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. > > You're almost certainly using gcc4.x. Don't do that. > > IIRC gentoo already has a big pile hacks for this. This kind of > breakage is > exactly why those hacks haven't been merged into cvs. They're papering > over > the problem rather than fixing it, so you should expect them to need > constant > maintenance. > > As mentioned several times on this recently on this list, the proper > fix is to > finish the TCG conversion. That will happen "when it's done". > > Paul Hi Paul, I got two similar error messages from other users. Both were using gcc-3.4, one of them from ubuntu 7.10 (32bit). My own system had no problems compiling exactly the same version with Debian lenny (amd64) gcc-3.4. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? 2008-03-15 14:01 [Qemu-devel] build failure on x86, any suggestions? Peter Volkov 2008-03-15 14:20 ` Paul Brook @ 2008-03-15 20:35 ` Blue Swirl 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Blue Swirl @ 2008-03-15 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: qemu-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1797 bytes --] On 3/15/08, Peter Volkov <pva@gentoo.org> wrote: > Hello. > > I just wanted to point developers attention to the following bug: > bugs.gentoo.org/212351 , comment #11 and further. The problem is that > qemu does not compile any more on x86. I've tried recent snapshot > (2008-03-15_05) and the problem persist there. > > The problem gentoo is that previous versions are known to be affected to > security vulnerability so we'll have to mask it soon, while version > which does not build successfully will be masked too as there is no > reason to keep broken package in stable. Could anybody of developers > suggest anything on this issue? Thank you very much in advance! > > > The actual build error: > > gcc -Wall -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-reorder-blocks -fno-gcse > -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-crossjumping -fno-align-labels > -fno-align-jumps -fno-align-functions -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 > -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -I. -I.. > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386 > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05 -MMD -MP -DNEED_CPU_H > -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/tcg > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/tcg/i386 > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/fpu > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/linux-user > -I/home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/linux-user/i386 -c -o > op.o /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/op.c > /home/pva/work/qemu/qemu-snapshot-2008-03-15_05/target-i386/ops_sse.h: > In function `op_psrlq_mmx': I can't replicate this bug, but does this patch (NB: not a real fix) make the compile successful or does it fail later somewhere else? [-- Attachment #2: sse_test.diff --] [-- Type: plain/text, Size: 460 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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