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From: Steven Noonan <steven@uplinklabs.net>
To: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc: alex@csgraf.de, openbios@openbios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [OpenBIOS] QEMU OpenBIOS booting?
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:56:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f488382f0904191056q1c178306j69a23c0170f006f5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090419.114724.-1622542522.imp@bsdimp.com>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM, M. Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> In message: <f488382f0904190128l4383a56eu67a2f16eb338e61c@mail.gmail.com>
>            Steven Noonan <steven@uplinklabs.net> writes:
> : I eventually decided it made more
> : sense to get QEMU working instead. I did notice that the pre-OpenBIOS
> : version of QEMU was able to boot Mac OS X via Open Hack'Ware, so I was
> : annoyed to find that OpenBIOS didn't have such support. So, I might as
> : well add it.
>
> Open Hackware was barely enough to boot older versions of Linux.
> Other operating systems that needed more extensive properties from the
> OpenFirmware device tree failed to boot because they weren't present.
> I was involved in a large effort to get FreeBSD/powerpc booting on
> QEMU only to have it fail utterly because the amount of hacking on
> OpenHackWare needed was rather large and mysterious...
>

Yes, Open Hack'Ware is as much a hack as PearPC is, in my opinion. It
uses very strange design decisions, which I suppose were inspired by
an "I'll do this later" attitude. For instance, in the CHRP script
'parser' it has, it will do a CRC of the boot script and then do a
table lookup to figure out what to do next, i.e.:

                    case 0xEA06C1A7:
                        /* MacOS 9.2 boot script:
                         * the XCOFF loader is embedded in the file...
                         */
                    case 0x53A95958:
                        /* iBook 2 restore CD (MacOS X 10.2) */
                        [snip]
                        goto out;
                    case 0x8d5acb86:
                        /* Darwin-7.01
                         * The executable file is embedded after the script
                         */
                        break;

Quite clearly, Open Hack'Ware was aptly named. It seems to have made
no effort to actually -execute- the CHRP boot-script, and instead just
do whatever would be necessary to get specific OSes working. Blech.

- Steven

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-19 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <f488382f0904111806i64421ff8t68e6d34aa2990f3a@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <1239525550.5516.3.camel@Quad>
     [not found]   ` <f488382f0904142246ga431e99obe666b7fb16adb02@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <f488382f0904190050x1d6e9562sf000e9e9763735b7@mail.gmail.com>
2009-04-19  8:03       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [OpenBIOS] QEMU OpenBIOS booting? Andreas Färber
2009-04-19  8:28         ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19  9:44           ` Andreas Färber
2009-04-19 17:47           ` M. Warner Losh
2009-04-19 17:56             ` Steven Noonan [this message]
2009-04-19 18:44             ` Blue Swirl
2009-04-19 23:18               ` M. Warner Losh
2009-04-20 19:39                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-04-20 21:01                   ` François Revol
2009-04-20 22:15                   ` [OpenBIOS] [Qemu-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2009-04-19  8:31         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [OpenBIOS] " Laurent Vivier
2009-05-20 13:51           ` Dave Willoughby
2009-05-20 14:14             ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]       ` <1240129450.5671.7.camel@Quad>
2009-04-19 18:59         ` [Qemu-devel] " Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 19:23           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [OpenBIOS] " Blue Swirl
2009-04-19 20:00             ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 20:08               ` Laurent Vivier
2009-04-19 20:14                 ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 20:24                   ` Laurent Vivier
2009-04-19 20:33                     ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 20:48                       ` Laurent Vivier
2009-04-19 21:02                         ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 21:32                           ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 22:28                             ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 22:36                               ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-20  0:15                                 ` malc
2009-04-20  3:27                                 ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-20  3:50                                   ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-26  8:13                                     ` Alexander Graf
2009-04-19 19:47           ` Laurent Vivier
2009-04-19 19:53             ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 20:01             ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 20:21               ` Laurent Vivier
2009-04-19 20:23                 ` Steven Noonan
2009-04-19 20:29                   ` Laurent Vivier
2009-04-20  9:39 Laurent Vivier

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