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From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: mprivozn@redhat.com, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] Export machine type deprecation info through QMP
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:38:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f8b5a75c-c7de-a6d8-83d7-c3ba2a0cbaf8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190424181049.GF18406@habkost.net>

On 24/04/2019 20.10, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:56:53AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 23/04/2019 23.22, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
>>> This series adds machine type deprecation information to the
>>> output of the `query-machines` QMP command.  With this, libvirt
>>> and management software will be able to show this information to
>>> users and/or suggest changes to VM configuration to avoid
>>> deprecated machine types.
>>>
>>> Eduardo Habkost (3):
>>>   qapi: SupportStatusInfo struct
>>>   machine: Use SupportStatusInfo for deprecation info
>>>   qmp: Add deprecation information to query-machines
>>>
>>>  qapi/common.json                   | 24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>  qapi/misc.json                     |  5 ++++-
>>>  include/hw/boards.h                |  7 ++++---
>>>  hw/i386/pc_piix.c                  |  4 +++-
>>>  hw/ppc/prep.c                      |  4 +++-
>>>  vl.c                               | 19 +++++++++++++++----
>>>  tests/acceptance/query_machines.py | 27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>  7 files changed, 80 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
>>>  create mode 100644 tests/acceptance/query_machines.py
>>
>> Good idea, but some questions come to my mind:
>>
>> - What about devices? IIRC Gerd wrote a patch series last year that does
>>   something similar for devices... It would be good to synchronize the
>>   work, so that we do not have two completely interfaces between devices
>>   and machines here in the end...
> 
> My plan is to support this on devices, too.  I even had a version
> where documentation of SupportStatusInfo mentioned device types,
> but I decided to leave that out until we actually implement a
> device deprecation info API.
> 
>>
>> - Is deprecation as a status enough, or do we want to carry more
>>   information here? E.g. is the machine maintained or orphan? Is it
>>   stable or rather experimental? And didn't Gerd have also some
>>   patches for this last year? ... yes, I think it was this series here:
>>   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-ppc/2018-11/msg00039.html
>>   ... actually, I like that idea with QemuSupportState... maybe you
>>   could base your work on that series instead?
> 
> We might want to carry more information eventually.  The
> possibility of extending the data later is the main reason I
> called the struct SupportStatusInfo and not just DeprecationInfo.

Ok. I was just a little bit afraid that we define an interface here that
we have to change again completely once we want to carry more
information. For example whether "deprecated" should be a "bool" here,
or rather one of the "enum" entries like in Gerd's series. But after
reading through https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10660677/ again, I
think I agree that "deprecated" is orthogonal to the support state, e.g.
a device could still be supported (in the sense that there is a
maintainer for it), while it has been marked as "deprecated" already.
So no more objections from my side here.

 Thomas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: mprivozn@redhat.com, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] Export machine type deprecation info through QMP
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:38:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f8b5a75c-c7de-a6d8-83d7-c3ba2a0cbaf8@redhat.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190425073800.goTsRmBh-VyocrL1jzFW50i_apf2Tj-oAMsGwX2VBVQ@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190424181049.GF18406@habkost.net>

On 24/04/2019 20.10, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:56:53AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 23/04/2019 23.22, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
>>> This series adds machine type deprecation information to the
>>> output of the `query-machines` QMP command.  With this, libvirt
>>> and management software will be able to show this information to
>>> users and/or suggest changes to VM configuration to avoid
>>> deprecated machine types.
>>>
>>> Eduardo Habkost (3):
>>>   qapi: SupportStatusInfo struct
>>>   machine: Use SupportStatusInfo for deprecation info
>>>   qmp: Add deprecation information to query-machines
>>>
>>>  qapi/common.json                   | 24 ++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>  qapi/misc.json                     |  5 ++++-
>>>  include/hw/boards.h                |  7 ++++---
>>>  hw/i386/pc_piix.c                  |  4 +++-
>>>  hw/ppc/prep.c                      |  4 +++-
>>>  vl.c                               | 19 +++++++++++++++----
>>>  tests/acceptance/query_machines.py | 27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>  7 files changed, 80 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
>>>  create mode 100644 tests/acceptance/query_machines.py
>>
>> Good idea, but some questions come to my mind:
>>
>> - What about devices? IIRC Gerd wrote a patch series last year that does
>>   something similar for devices... It would be good to synchronize the
>>   work, so that we do not have two completely interfaces between devices
>>   and machines here in the end...
> 
> My plan is to support this on devices, too.  I even had a version
> where documentation of SupportStatusInfo mentioned device types,
> but I decided to leave that out until we actually implement a
> device deprecation info API.
> 
>>
>> - Is deprecation as a status enough, or do we want to carry more
>>   information here? E.g. is the machine maintained or orphan? Is it
>>   stable or rather experimental? And didn't Gerd have also some
>>   patches for this last year? ... yes, I think it was this series here:
>>   http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-ppc/2018-11/msg00039.html
>>   ... actually, I like that idea with QemuSupportState... maybe you
>>   could base your work on that series instead?
> 
> We might want to carry more information eventually.  The
> possibility of extending the data later is the main reason I
> called the struct SupportStatusInfo and not just DeprecationInfo.

Ok. I was just a little bit afraid that we define an interface here that
we have to change again completely once we want to carry more
information. For example whether "deprecated" should be a "bool" here,
or rather one of the "enum" entries like in Gerd's series. But after
reading through https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10660677/ again, I
think I agree that "deprecated" is orthogonal to the support state, e.g.
a device could still be supported (in the sense that there is a
maintainer for it), while it has been marked as "deprecated" already.
So no more objections from my side here.

 Thomas


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-25  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-23 21:22 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] Export machine type deprecation info through QMP Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:22 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] qapi: SupportStatusInfo struct Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:22   ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 22:23   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-23 22:23     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-24 18:24     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24 18:24       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24  8:26   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24  8:26     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24 18:20     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24 18:20       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-30 10:10       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-30 10:10         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-30 12:42         ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-30 12:42           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-30 12:47           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-30 12:47             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-25 14:20   ` Wainer dos Santos Moschetta
2019-04-25 14:20     ` Wainer dos Santos Moschetta
2019-04-25 17:42     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-25 17:42       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-30 10:03       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-30 10:03         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-23 21:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] machine: Use SupportStatusInfo for deprecation info Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:22   ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 22:26   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-23 22:26     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-04-24  1:37   ` David Gibson
2019-04-24  1:37     ` David Gibson
2019-04-24  8:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24  8:23     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24 18:29     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24 18:29       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] qmp: Add deprecation information to query-machines Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:22   ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24  8:28   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24  8:28     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-25 14:54   ` Wainer dos Santos Moschetta
2019-04-25 14:54     ` Wainer dos Santos Moschetta
2019-04-25 17:43     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-25 17:43       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-23 21:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] Export machine type deprecation info through QMP no-reply
2019-04-23 21:28   ` no-reply
2019-04-24  7:56 ` Thomas Huth
2019-04-24  7:56   ` Thomas Huth
2019-04-24  8:31   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24  8:31     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24 18:14     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24 18:14       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24 18:10   ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-24 18:10     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-04-25  7:38     ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2019-04-25  7:38       ` Thomas Huth
2019-04-30 10:11     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-30 10:11       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-24  8:23 ` Michal Privoznik
2019-04-24  8:23   ` Michal Privoznik
2019-05-07  5:07 ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-07 16:18   ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-08  9:16     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-08 20:28       ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-09  8:31         ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-09  9:14           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-09 15:52             ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-09 16:08               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-09 17:44                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-10  6:28                   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-10 17:03                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-10  6:19               ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-10 17:00                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-09 18:19           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-10  9:29             ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-10 17:17               ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-05-10 17:26                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-05-13 11:49                 ` Markus Armbruster

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