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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Jintack Lim <jintack@cs.columbia.edu>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/10] intel-iommu: maintain per-device iova ranges
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 17:22:03 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f933ba4d-a025-7c94-69c6-d21f408eb729@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180503075302.GC29580@xz-mi>



On 2018年05月03日 15:53, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 03:43:35PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>
>> On 2018年05月03日 15:28, Peter Xu wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 03:20:11PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> On 2018年05月03日 14:04, Peter Xu wrote:
>>>>> IMHO the guest can't really detect this, but it'll found that the
>>>>> device is not working functionally if it's doing something like what
>>>>> Jason has mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually now I have had an idea if we really want to live well even
>>>>> with Jason's example: maybe we'll need to identify PSI/DSI.  For DSI,
>>>>> we don't remap for mapped pages; for PSI, we unmap and remap the
>>>>> mapped pages.  That'll complicate the stuff a bit, but it should
>>>>> satisfy all the people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>> So it looks like there will be still unnecessary unamps.
>>> Could I ask what do you mean by "unecessary unmaps"?
>> It's for "for PSI, we unmap and remap the mapped pages". So for the first
>> "unmap" how do you know it was really necessary without knowing the state of
>> current shadow page table?
> I don't.  Could I just unmap it anyway?  Say, now the guest _modified_
> the PTE already.  Yes I think it's following the spec, but it is
> really _unsafe_.  We can know that from what it has done already.
> Then I really think a unmap+map would be good enough for us...  After
> all that behavior can cause DMA error even on real hardwares.  It can
> never tell.

I mean for following case:

1) guest maps A1 (iova) to XXX
2) guest maps A2 (A1 + 4K) (iova) to YYY
3) guest maps A3 (A1 + 8K) (iova) to ZZZ
4) guest unmaps A2 and A2, for reducing the number of PSIs, it can 
invalidate A1 with a range of 2M

If this is allowed by spec, looks like A1 will be unmaped and mapped.

Thanks

>
>>>> How about record the mappings in the tree too?
>>> As I mentioned, for L1 guest (e.g., DPDK applications running in L1)
>>> it'll be fine.  But I'm just afraid we will have other use cases, like
>>> the L2 guests. That might need tons of the mapping entries in the
>>> worst case scenario.
>>>
>> Yes, but that's the price of shadow page tables.
> So that's why I would like to propose this mergable interval tree.  It
> might greatly reduce the price if we can reach a consensus on how we
> should treat those strange-behaved guest OSs.  Thanks,
>

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-03  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-25  4:51 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/10] intel-iommu: nested vIOMMU, cleanups, bug fixes Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/10] intel-iommu: send PSI always even if across PDEs Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/10] intel-iommu: remove IntelIOMMUNotifierNode Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/10] intel-iommu: add iommu lock Peter Xu
2018-04-25 16:26   ` Emilio G. Cota
2018-04-26  5:45     ` Peter Xu
2018-04-27  5:13   ` Jason Wang
2018-04-27  6:26     ` Peter Xu
2018-04-27  7:19       ` Tian, Kevin
2018-04-27  9:53         ` Peter Xu
2018-04-28  1:54           ` Tian, Kevin
2018-04-28  1:43       ` Jason Wang
2018-04-28  2:24         ` Peter Xu
2018-04-28  2:42           ` Jason Wang
2018-04-28  3:06             ` Peter Xu
2018-04-28  3:11               ` Jason Wang
2018-04-28  3:14             ` Peter Xu
2018-04-28  3:16               ` Jason Wang
2018-04-30  7:22               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-30  7:20           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-03  5:39             ` Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/10] intel-iommu: only do page walk for MAP notifiers Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/10] intel-iommu: introduce vtd_page_walk_info Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/10] intel-iommu: pass in address space when page walk Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/10] util: implement simple interval tree logic Peter Xu
2018-04-27  5:53   ` Jason Wang
2018-04-27  6:27     ` Peter Xu
2018-05-03  7:10     ` Peter Xu
2018-05-03  7:21       ` Jason Wang
2018-05-03  7:30         ` Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/10] intel-iommu: maintain per-device iova ranges Peter Xu
2018-04-27  6:07   ` Jason Wang
2018-04-27  6:34     ` Peter Xu
2018-04-27  7:02     ` Tian, Kevin
2018-04-27  7:28       ` Peter Xu
2018-04-27  7:44         ` Tian, Kevin
2018-04-27  9:55           ` Peter Xu
2018-04-27 11:40             ` Peter Xu
2018-04-27 23:37               ` Tian, Kevin
2018-05-03  6:04                 ` Peter Xu
2018-05-03  7:20                   ` Jason Wang
2018-05-03  7:28                     ` Peter Xu
2018-05-03  7:43                       ` Jason Wang
2018-05-03  7:53                         ` Peter Xu
2018-05-03  9:22                           ` Jason Wang [this message]
2018-05-03  9:53                             ` Peter Xu
2018-05-03 12:01                               ` Peter Xu
2018-04-28  1:49               ` Jason Wang
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/10] intel-iommu: don't unmap all for shadow page table Peter Xu
2018-04-25  4:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/10] intel-iommu: remove notify_unmap for page walk Peter Xu
2018-04-25  5:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/10] intel-iommu: nested vIOMMU, cleanups, bug fixes no-reply
2018-04-25  5:34   ` Peter Xu

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