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From: "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>
To: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name>
Cc: "Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>, "Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Avihai Horon" <avihaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] vfio/migration: Add also max in-flight VFIO device state buffers size limit
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 14:04:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fc547687-b313-404c-a6a6-dd599b0a9dbc@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3826d47f-d79b-4db2-9719-35f48f582bf0@maciej.szmigiero.name>

On 3/7/25 14:45, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
> On 7.03.2025 13:03, Cédric Le Goater wrote:
>> On 3/7/25 11:57, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
>>> From: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com>
>>>
>>> There's already a max in-flight VFIO device state buffers *count* limit,
>>
>> no. there isn't. Do we need both ?
> 
> This is on a top of the remaining patches (x-migration-load-config-after-iter
> and x-migration-max-queued-buffers) - I thought we were supposed to work
> on these after the main series was merged as they are relatively non-critical.

yes. we don't need both count and size limits though, a size limit is enough.

> I would also give x-migration-load-config-after-iter priority over
> x-migration-max-queued-buffers{,-size} as the former is correctness fix
> while the later are just additional functionalities.

ok. I have kept both patches in my tree with the doc updates.

> Also, if some setup is truly worried about these buffers consuming too much
> memory then roughly the same thing could be achieved by (temporarily) putting
> the target QEMU process in a memory-limited cgroup.

yes.

That said,

since QEMU exchanges 1MB VFIODeviceStatePackets when using multifd and that
the overall device state is in the order of 100MB :

   /*
    * This is an arbitrary size based on migration of mlx5 devices, where typically
    * total device migration size is on the order of 100s of MB. Testing with
    * larger values, e.g. 128MB and 1GB, did not show a performance improvement.
    */
   #define VFIO_MIG_DEFAULT_DATA_BUFFER_SIZE (1 * MiB)


Could we define the limit to 1GB ?

Avihai, would that make sense  ?


Thanks,

C.




> 
> On the other hand, the network endianess patch is urgent since it affects
> the bit stream.
> 
>>> add also max queued buffers *size* limit.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Maciej S. Szmigiero <maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com>
>>> ---
>>>   docs/devel/migration/vfio.rst |  8 +++++---
>>>   hw/vfio/migration-multifd.c   | 21 +++++++++++++++++++--
>>>   hw/vfio/pci.c                 |  9 +++++++++
>>>   include/hw/vfio/vfio-common.h |  1 +
>>>   4 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/docs/devel/migration/vfio.rst b/docs/devel/migration/vfio.rst
>>> index 7c9cb7bdbf87..127a1db35949 100644
>>> --- a/docs/devel/migration/vfio.rst
>>> +++ b/docs/devel/migration/vfio.rst
>>> @@ -254,12 +254,14 @@ This means that a malicious QEMU source could theoretically cause the target
>>>   QEMU to allocate unlimited amounts of memory for such buffers-in-flight.
>>>   The "x-migration-max-queued-buffers" property allows capping the maximum count
>>> -of these VFIO device state buffers queued at the destination.
>>> +of these VFIO device state buffers queued at the destination while
>>> +"x-migration-max-queued-buffers-size" property allows capping their total queued
>>> +size.
>>>   Because a malicious QEMU source causing OOM on the target is not expected to be
>>>   a realistic threat in most of VFIO live migration use cases and the right value
>>> -depends on the particular setup by default this queued buffers limit is
>>> -disabled by setting it to UINT64_MAX.
>>> +depends on the particular setup by default these queued buffers limits are
>>> +disabled by setting them to UINT64_MAX.
>>>   Some host platforms (like ARM64) require that VFIO device config is loaded only
>>>   after all iterables were loaded.
>>> diff --git a/hw/vfio/migration-multifd.c b/hw/vfio/migration-multifd.c
>>> index dccd763d7c39..a9d41b9f1cb1 100644
>>> --- a/hw/vfio/migration-multifd.c
>>> +++ b/hw/vfio/migration-multifd.c
>>> @@ -83,6 +83,7 @@ typedef struct VFIOMultifd {
>>>       uint32_t load_buf_idx;
>>>       uint32_t load_buf_idx_last;
>>>       uint32_t load_buf_queued_pending_buffers;
>>
>> 'load_buf_queued_pending_buffers' is not in mainline. Please rebase.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> C.
> 
> Thanks,
> Maciej
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-11 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-04 22:03 [PATCH v6 00/36] Multifd 🔀 device state transfer support with VFIO consumer Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 01/36] migration: Clarify that {load, save}_cleanup handlers can run without setup Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 02/36] thread-pool: Remove thread_pool_submit() function Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 03/36] thread-pool: Rename AIO pool functions to *_aio() and data types to *Aio Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 04/36] thread-pool: Implement generic (non-AIO) pool support Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 05/36] migration: Add MIG_CMD_SWITCHOVER_START and its load handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 06/36] migration: Add qemu_loadvm_load_state_buffer() and its handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 07/36] migration: postcopy_ram_listen_thread() should take BQL for some calls Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05 12:34   ` Peter Xu
2025-03-05 15:11     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05 16:15       ` Peter Xu
2025-03-05 16:37         ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 16:49           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 08/36] error: define g_autoptr() cleanup function for the Error type Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 09/36] migration: Add thread pool of optional load threads Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 10/36] migration/multifd: Split packet into header and RAM data Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 11/36] migration/multifd: Device state transfer support - receive side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 12/36] migration/multifd: Make multifd_send() thread safe Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 13/36] migration/multifd: Add an explicit MultiFDSendData destructor Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 14/36] migration/multifd: Device state transfer support - send side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 15/36] migration/multifd: Make MultiFDSendData a struct Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  9:00   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 12:43   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 16/36] migration/multifd: Add multifd_device_state_supported() Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 17/36] migration: Add save_live_complete_precopy_thread handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05 12:36   ` Peter Xu
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 18/36] vfio/migration: Add load_device_config_state_start trace event Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 19/36] vfio/migration: Convert bytes_transferred counter to atomic Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 20/36] vfio/migration: Add vfio_add_bytes_transferred() Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  7:44   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 21/36] vfio/migration: Move migration channel flags to vfio-common.h header file Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 22/36] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - basic types Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  7:44   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 23/36] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer - add support checking function Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 24/36] vfio/migration: Multifd setup/cleanup functions and associated VFIOMultifd Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:03   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 25/36] vfio/migration: Setup and cleanup multifd transfer in these general methods Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:30   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 16:22   ` Peter Xu
2025-03-05 16:27     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05 16:39       ` Peter Xu
2025-03-05 16:47         ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 16:48         ` Peter Xu
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 26/36] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - received buffers queuing Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:30   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 27/36] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - load thread Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:31   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 28/36] migration/qemu-file: Define g_autoptr() cleanup function for QEMUFile Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 29/36] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - config loading support Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:33   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 30/36] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - send side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:38   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-06  6:47   ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-06 10:15     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-06 10:32       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-06 13:37         ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-06 14:13           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-06 14:23             ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-06 14:26               ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-07 10:59                 ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 31/36] vfio/migration: Add x-migration-multifd-transfer VFIO property Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  9:21   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:03 ` [PATCH v6 32/36] vfio/migration: Make x-migration-multifd-transfer VFIO property mutable Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:41   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-04 22:04 ` [PATCH v6 33/36] hw/core/machine: Add compat for x-migration-multifd-transfer VFIO property Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:04 ` [PATCH v6 34/36] vfio/migration: Max in-flight VFIO device state buffer count limit Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  9:19   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 15:11     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05 16:39       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 16:53         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:04 ` [PATCH v6 35/36] vfio/migration: Add x-migration-load-config-after-iter VFIO property Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-04 22:04 ` [PATCH v6 36/36] vfio/migration: Update VFIO migration documentation Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05  8:53   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05  9:29 ` [PATCH v6 00/36] Multifd 🔀 device state transfer support with VFIO consumer Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05  9:33   ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-05  9:35     ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05  9:38       ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-05 17:45   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-06  6:50     ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-05 16:49 ` [PATCH] migration: Always take BQL for migration_incoming_state_destroy() Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-05 16:53   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-05 16:55     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-07 10:57 ` [PATCH 1/2] vfio/migration: Add also max in-flight VFIO device state buffers size limit Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-07 12:03   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-07 13:45     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-11 13:04       ` Cédric Le Goater [this message]
2025-03-11 14:57         ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-11 15:45           ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-11 16:01             ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-11 16:05               ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-12  7:44                 ` Avihai Horon
2025-04-01 12:26         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-04-02  9:51           ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-04-02 12:40             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-04-02 13:13               ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-07 10:57 ` [PATCH 2/2] vfio/migration: Use BE byte order for device state wire packets Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-10  7:30   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-10  7:34   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-10  8:17   ` Avihai Horon
2025-03-10  9:23     ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-10 12:53       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-03-10 13:39         ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-03-10 12:53     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero

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