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From: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	Chenyi Qiang <chenyi.qiang@intel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>,
	Juraj Marcin <jmarcin@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] hostmem: Support in-place guest memfd to back a VM
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 17:01:44 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe713fb6-56db-4080-b03d-a0c36952ee22@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251023185913.2923322-9-peterx@redhat.com>

On 10/24/2025 2:59 AM, Peter Xu wrote:
> Host backends supports guest-memfd now by detecting whether it's a
> confidential VM.  There's no way to choose it yet from the memory level to
> use it in-place.  If we use guest-memfd, it so far always implies we need
> two layers of memory backends, while the guest-memfd only provides the
> private set of pages.
> 
> This patch introduces a way so that QEMU can consume guest memfd as the
> only source of memory to back the object (aka, in place), rather than
> having another backend supporting the pages converted to shared.
> 
> To use the in-place guest-memfd, one can add a memfd object with:
> 
>    -object memory-backend-memfd,guest-memfd=on,share=on
> 
> Note that share=on is required with in-place guest_memfd.

First, I'm not sure "in-place" is the proper wording here. At first 
glance on the series, I thought it's something related to "in-place" 
page conversion. After reading a bit, I really that it is enabling guest 
memfd with mmap support to serve as normal memory backend.

Second, my POC implementation chose to implement a separate and specific 
memory-backend type "memory-backend-guest-memfd". Your approach to add 
an option of "guest-memfd" to memory-backend-memfd looks OK to me and it 
requires less code. But I think we need to explicitly error out to users 
when they set "guest_memfd" to on with unsupported properties 
configured, e.g., "hugetlb", "hugetlbsize", and "seal".

Third, the intended usage of gmem with mmap from KVM/kernel's 
perspective is userspace configures the meomry slot by passing the gmem 
fd to @guest_memfd and @guest_memfd of struct 
kvm_userspace_memory_region2 instead of passing the user address 
returned by mmap of the fd to @userspace_addr return mmap() as this 
patch does. Surely the usage of this path works. But when QEMU is going 
to support in-place conversion of gmem, we has to pass the @guest_memfd.
Well, this is no issue now and we can handle it in the future when needed.

> Signed-off-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
> ---
>   qapi/qom.json            |  6 +++-
>   backends/hostmem-memfd.c | 66 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>   2 files changed, 67 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/qapi/qom.json b/qapi/qom.json
> index 830cb2ffe7..6b090fe9a0 100644
> --- a/qapi/qom.json
> +++ b/qapi/qom.json
> @@ -764,13 +764,17 @@
>   # @seal: if true, create a sealed-file, which will block further
>   #     resizing of the memory (default: true)
>   #
> +# @guest-memfd: if true, use guest-memfd to back the memory region.
> +#     (default: false, since: 10.2)
> +#
>   # Since: 2.12
>   ##
>   { 'struct': 'MemoryBackendMemfdProperties',
>     'base': 'MemoryBackendProperties',
>     'data': { '*hugetlb': 'bool',
>               '*hugetlbsize': 'size',
> -            '*seal': 'bool' },
> +            '*seal': 'bool',
> +            '*guest-memfd': 'bool' },
>     'if': 'CONFIG_LINUX' }
>   
>   ##
> diff --git a/backends/hostmem-memfd.c b/backends/hostmem-memfd.c
> index ea93f034e4..1fa16c1e1d 100644
> --- a/backends/hostmem-memfd.c
> +++ b/backends/hostmem-memfd.c
> @@ -18,6 +18,8 @@
>   #include "qapi/error.h"
>   #include "qom/object.h"
>   #include "migration/cpr.h"
> +#include "system/kvm.h"
> +#include <linux/kvm.h>
>   
>   OBJECT_DECLARE_SIMPLE_TYPE(HostMemoryBackendMemfd, MEMORY_BACKEND_MEMFD)
>   
> @@ -28,6 +30,13 @@ struct HostMemoryBackendMemfd {
>       bool hugetlb;
>       uint64_t hugetlbsize;
>       bool seal;
> +    /*
> +     * NOTE: this differs from HostMemoryBackend's guest_memfd_private,
> +     * which represents a internally private guest-memfd that only backs
> +     * private pages.  Instead, this flag marks the memory backend will
> +     * 100% use the guest-memfd pages in-place.
> +     */
> +    bool guest_memfd;
>   };
>   
>   static bool
> @@ -47,10 +56,40 @@ memfd_backend_memory_alloc(HostMemoryBackend *backend, Error **errp)
>           goto have_fd;
>       }
>   
> -    fd = qemu_memfd_create(TYPE_MEMORY_BACKEND_MEMFD, backend->size,
> -                           m->hugetlb, m->hugetlbsize, m->seal ?
> -                           F_SEAL_GROW | F_SEAL_SHRINK | F_SEAL_SEAL : 0,
> -                           errp);
> +    if (m->guest_memfd) {
> +        /* User choose to use in-place guest-memfd to back the VM.. */
> +        if (!backend->share) {
> +            error_setg(errp, "In-place guest-memfd must be used with share=on");
> +            return false;
> +        }
> +
> +        /*
> +         * This is the request to have a guest-memfd to back private pages.
> +         * In-place guest-memfd doesn't work like that.  Disable it for now
> +         * to make it simple, so that each memory backend can only have
> +         * guest-memfd either as private, or fully shared.
> +         */
> +        if (backend->guest_memfd_private) {
> +            error_setg(errp, "In-place guest-memfd cannot be used with another "
> +                       "private guest-memfd");
> +            return false;
> +        }

Add kvm_enabled() here, otherwise the following calling of 
kvm_create_guest_memfd() emits confusing information when accelerator is 
not configured as KVM, e.g., -machine q35,accel=tcg

qemu-system-x86: KVM does not support guest_memfd


> +        /* TODO: add huge page support */
> +        fd = kvm_create_guest_memfd(backend->size,
> +                                    GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP |
> +                                    GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_INIT_SHARED,
> +                                    errp);
> +        if (fd < 0) {
> +            return false;
> +        }
> +    } else {
> +        fd = qemu_memfd_create(TYPE_MEMORY_BACKEND_MEMFD, backend->size,
> +                               m->hugetlb, m->hugetlbsize, m->seal ?
> +                               F_SEAL_GROW | F_SEAL_SHRINK | F_SEAL_SEAL : 0,
> +                               errp);
> +    }
> +
>       if (fd == -1) {
>           return false;
>       }
> @@ -65,6 +104,18 @@ have_fd:
>                                             backend->size, ram_flags, fd, 0, errp);
>   }
>   
> +static bool
> +memfd_backend_get_guest_memfd(Object *o, Error **errp)
> +{
> +    return MEMORY_BACKEND_MEMFD(o)->guest_memfd;
> +}
> +
> +static void
> +memfd_backend_set_guest_memfd(Object *o, bool value, Error **errp)
> +{
> +    MEMORY_BACKEND_MEMFD(o)->guest_memfd = value;
> +}
> +
>   static bool
>   memfd_backend_get_hugetlb(Object *o, Error **errp)
>   {
> @@ -152,6 +203,13 @@ memfd_backend_class_init(ObjectClass *oc, const void *data)
>           object_class_property_set_description(oc, "hugetlbsize",
>                                                 "Huge pages size (ex: 2M, 1G)");
>       }
> +
> +    object_class_property_add_bool(oc, "guest-memfd",
> +                                   memfd_backend_get_guest_memfd,
> +                                   memfd_backend_set_guest_memfd);
> +    object_class_property_set_description(oc, "guest-memfd",
> +                                          "Use guest memfd");
> +
>       object_class_property_add_bool(oc, "seal",
>                                      memfd_backend_get_seal,
>                                      memfd_backend_set_seal);



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-23 18:59 [PATCH 0/8] KVM/hostmem: Support in-place guest-memfd as VM backends Peter Xu
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 1/8] linux-headers: Update to v6.18-rc2 Peter Xu
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 2/8] kvm: Allow kvm_guest_memfd_supported for non-private use case Peter Xu
2025-10-24  2:30   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 3/8] kvm: Detect guest-memfd flags supported Peter Xu
2025-10-24  3:52   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 4/8] memory: Rename RAM_GUEST_MEMFD to RAM_GUEST_MEMFD_PRIVATE Peter Xu
2025-10-24  9:17   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 5/8] memory: Rename memory_region_has_guest_memfd() to *_private() Peter Xu
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 6/8] ramblock: Rename guest_memfd to guest_memfd_private Peter Xu
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 7/8] hostmem: " Peter Xu
2025-10-23 18:59 ` [PATCH 8/8] hostmem: Support in-place guest memfd to back a VM Peter Xu
2025-10-24  9:01   ` Xiaoyao Li [this message]
2025-10-24 15:22     ` Peter Xu
2025-10-27  5:24       ` Xiaoyao Li

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