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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/18] block/mirror: Add active-sync mirroring
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 16:02:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ff9cac4f-5dba-666c-fc0d-8c1e3f23e6c9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170914154221.GD7370@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

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On 2017-09-14 17:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 08:18:52PM +0200, Max Reitz wrote:
>> There may be a couple of things to do on top of this series:
>> - Allow switching between active and passive mode at runtime: This
>>   should not be too difficult to implement, the main question is how to
>>   expose it to the user.
>>   (I seem to recall we wanted some form of block-job-set-option
>>   command...?)
>>
>> - Implement an asynchronous active mode: May be detrimental when it
>>   comes to convergence, but it might be nice to have anyway.  May or may
>>   not be complicated to implement.
> 
> Ideally the user doesn't have to know about async vs sync.  It's an
> implementation detail.
> 
> Async makes sense during the bulk copy phase (e.g. sync=full) because
> guest read/write latencies are mostly unaffected.  Once the entire
> device has been copied there are probably still dirty blocks left
> because the guest touched them while the mirror job was running.  At
> that point it definitely makes sense to switch to synchronous mirroring
> in order to converge.

Makes sense, but I'm not sure whether it really is just an
implementation detail.  If you're in the bulk copy phase in active/async
mode and you have enough write requests with the target being slow
enough, I suspect you might still not get convergence then (because the
writes to the target yield for a long time while ever more write
requests pile up) -- so then you'd just shift the dirty tracking from
the bitmap to a list of requests in progress.

And I think we do want the bulk copy phase to guarantee convergence,
too, usually (when active/foreground/synchronous mode is selected).  If
we don't, then that's a policy decision and would be up to libvirt, as I
see it.

Max


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-16 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-13 18:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/18] block/mirror: Add active-sync mirroring Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/18] block: Add BdrvDeletedStatus Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/18] block: BDS deletion during bdrv_drain_recurse Max Reitz
2017-09-18  3:44   ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-18 16:13     ` Max Reitz
2017-10-09 18:30       ` Max Reitz
2017-10-10  8:36   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-10-11 11:41     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/18] blockjob: Make drained_{begin, end} public Max Reitz
2017-09-18  3:46   ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/18] block/mirror: Pull out mirror_perform() Max Reitz
2017-09-18  3:48   ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-25  9:38   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/18] block/mirror: Convert to coroutines Max Reitz
2017-09-18  6:02   ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-18 16:41     ` Max Reitz
2017-10-10  9:14   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-10-11 11:43     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/18] block/mirror: Use CoQueue to wait on in-flight ops Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/18] block/mirror: Wait for in-flight op conflicts Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/18] block/mirror: Use source as a BdrvChild Max Reitz
2017-10-10  9:27   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-10-11 11:46     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/18] block: Generalize should_update_child() rule Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/18] block/mirror: Make source the file child Max Reitz
2017-10-10  9:47   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-10-11 12:02     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/18] hbitmap: Add @advance param to hbitmap_iter_next() Max Reitz
2017-09-25 15:38   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-09-25 20:40     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/18] block/dirty-bitmap: Add bdrv_dirty_iter_next_area Max Reitz
2017-09-25 15:49   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-09-25 20:43     ` Max Reitz
2017-10-02 13:32     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/18] block/mirror: Keep write perm for pending writes Max Reitz
2017-10-10  9:58   ` Kevin Wolf
2017-10-11 12:20     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/18] block/mirror: Distinguish active from passive ops Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/18] block/mirror: Add active mirroring Max Reitz
2017-09-14 15:57   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-16 13:58     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-18 10:06       ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-18 16:26         ` Max Reitz
2017-09-19  9:44           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-19  9:57             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-09-20 14:56               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-10-10 10:16           ` Kevin Wolf
2017-10-11 12:33             ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/18] block/mirror: Add copy mode QAPI interface Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/18] qemu-io: Add background write Max Reitz
2017-09-18  6:46   ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-18 17:53     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-19  8:03       ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-21 14:40         ` Max Reitz
2017-09-21 14:59           ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-21 15:03             ` Max Reitz
2017-09-13 18:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/18] iotests: Add test for active mirroring Max Reitz
2017-09-18  6:45   ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-18 16:53     ` Max Reitz
2017-09-19  8:08       ` Fam Zheng
2017-09-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/18] block/mirror: Add active-sync mirroring Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-16 14:02   ` Max Reitz [this message]
2017-09-18 10:02     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-09-18 15:42       ` Max Reitz

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