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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Spice project is now open
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:14:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hfvmuf$nkh$1@ger.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B230F4A.2050506@codemonkey.ws>

On 12/12/2009 04:34 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Firefox uses that extensively, for example to render tiled backgrounds
>> (though probably GTK user interface elements can do so less
>> successfully).
>
> Yes, but this is just a single application.  The point is that these
> things are not as widely standardized on X as they are on Windows.

They are standardized (Xrender) and there are high-level de facto 
standard APIs (Cairo or the Qt equivalent).

If glyphs are rendered with Xrender it means that the shapes must be 
somehow transferred to the X server (and hence with SPICE-like protocols 
to the SPICE client), unlike with X fonts.  However these shapes will be 
grayscale (cheap) and the complicated compositing with the background 
will be all done via XRender (i.e. on the SPICE client too).

Regarding compositing, this is done via OpenGL so even though it is true 
that nothing goes through X calls, it is also true that everything does 
go though a high-level API which can be sent on the wire (cfr. AIGLX).

Actually, compositing might really be where a protocol like SPICE 
shines, since it does not generate nearly as many expose events, and 
since you do not have to resend occluded contents on the wire any time 
someone raises a window.

I have no idea how SPICE performs now, but there's definitely nothing in 
a modern X Windows desktop that it cannot deal with.  The only negative 
point it might have compared to Windows is IMO the rendering of text.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-12  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-12-11 13:45 ` [Qemu-devel] Spice project is now open Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 14:03   ` Jun Koi
2009-12-11 14:17     ` Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 14:09   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 14:28     ` Jun Koi
2009-12-11 16:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 16:52         ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 17:01           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:31             ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 17:02         ` Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 17:16           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:21             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 17:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:18           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 18:49           ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 15:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 16:47     ` Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 16:57       ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 17:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:38         ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-12-11 18:48     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 18:57       ` Ben Taylor
2009-12-11 19:06         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:09         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:00       ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:06         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:22           ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:37             ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:07         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:24           ` Izik Eidus
2010-01-23 23:39           ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:03       ` malc
2009-12-11 19:10         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:24           ` malc
2009-12-11 19:33             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:53               ` malc
2009-12-11 20:26                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-13 11:11                   ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:04       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:15         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:25           ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:42           ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 19:21         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:30           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:39             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:51               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 20:21                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 20:46                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 21:13                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 21:54                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 22:34                         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  0:54                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-12  3:34                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12  9:14                             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2009-12-12 15:11                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 16:09                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-12 17:28                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13 10:18                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-11 22:08                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 22:33                         ` Dor Laor
2009-12-11 22:46                         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 23:54                           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:14                             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  0:27                               ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:53                                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  1:08                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  1:33                                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 23:58                           ` [Qemu-devel] X support for QXL and SPICE Soeren Sandmann
2009-12-12  0:05                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:31                               ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  0:37                                 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:08                             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  3:31                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12  3:52                               ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 15:13                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 15:29                                   ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 15:43                                     ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12 16:01                                       ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  6:22                               ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-12 16:39                               ` Soeren Sandmann
2009-12-14 14:07                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 13:56                         ` [Qemu-devel] Spice project is now open Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 14:33                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 20:32                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 20:48                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 21:31                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 21:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 22:55                         ` Chris Wright
2009-12-12  3:27                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12  1:03                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-12  3:44                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 14:44                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-12 15:03                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 16:06                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-12 17:40                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 17:48                                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 19:26                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 19:48                                         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 22:41                                           ` Dor Laor
2009-12-12 22:35                                     ` Dor Laor
2009-12-12 23:46                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13  0:23                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-13 10:46                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 14:42                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 14:53                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 15:17                                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-14 15:21                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 15:46                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 15:10                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-14 15:50                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 16:00                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 16:15                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 17:52                                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-12-13 14:56                                         ` Gildas Le Nadan
2009-12-14 14:40                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 14:50                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 23:43                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-12 23:52                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13  0:04                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-13  0:18                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13  9:10                                             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-15 13:25                                         ` Soeren Sandmann
2009-12-11 19:25         ` [Qemu-devel] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-12-11 19:38           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:45             ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-12-11 19:53               ` Anthony Liguori

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