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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	"Manos Pitsidianakis" <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Cc: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-rust@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 22/22] rust/hpet: Enable lockless IO
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 15:29:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ed6a959-fe49-4635-9051-b9bbc91dd2e4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251113051937.4017675-23-zhao1.liu@intel.com>

On 11/13/25 06:19, Zhao Liu wrote:
> Enable lockless IO for HPET to allow BQL free MMIO access.
> 
> But BQL context is still needed for some cases during MMIO:
>   * IRQ handling:
> 
>     Like C version of HPET did (commit d99041a20328 ("hpet: guard IRQ
>     handling with BQL"), BQL context is needed during IRQ handling.
> 
>     But Rust HPET has an extra reason that InterruptSource is placed in
>     BqlCell, which requires BQL context explicitly. (This also shows
>     that the BQL limitation in the design of the InterruptSource binding
>     is reasonable.)

Thanks, this is helpful.  It shows some complications that I honestly 
hadn't thought about.  So many more things to be precise about, compared 
to C...  but I have an idea which I'll mention below. :)

>   * BqlCell/BqlRefCell access.
> 
>     Except InterruptSource, HPETState has other BqlCell and BqlRefCell:
>     hpet_offset (BqlCell<u64>), rtc_irq_level (BqlCell<u32>) and timers
>     ([BqlRefCell<HPETTimer>; HPET_MAX_TIMERS]).
> 
>     Their data may change during runtime, so the atomic context is
>     required.

I have already mentioned HPETTimer in the other email, but I would also 
move hpet_offset to HPETRegisters if possible.  It doesn't seem hard.

And as an aside, I wonder if you really need to pass MutexGuard and not 
&mut HPETRegisters.  Once you don't have BQL dependencies, you can just 
remove the assert!(bql::is_locked()) without switching to MutexGuard<>.

In the meanwhile, even if they are not perfect (especially due to 
migration), I think touching patches 1-19 further is too messy, so I'll 
rebase on top of Stefan's tracing patches and push them to rust-next. 
Let's start from there and I'll take a look tomorrow maybe on how to fix 
migration.  Migratable<HPETTimer> looks like a powerful tool for that.

Then the new problem is that we have to figure out a way to handle IRQs. 
They are also messy for PL011 compared to the C version, and that will 
make it possible to enable lockless IO.

The crazy idea that just came to mind, is a Latched<u32> that is 
something like an (AtomicU32, BqlCell<u32>) tuple.  Then we set the 
individual bits outside the BQL and update IRQs at the end of the MMIO 
in a bql::with_guard() block.  Maybe if you have some time you can 
prototype that for PL011 (even without generics, you could just do 
LatchedU32 for a start)?

Paolo



  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-13 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-13  5:19 [PATCH 00/22] rust/hpet: Move towards lockless IO, partly Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 01/22] rust/migration: Add Sync implementation for Migratable<> Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 02/22] rust/migration: Fix missing name in the VMSD of Migratable<> Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 03/22] rust/migration: Check name field in VMStateDescriptionBuilder Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 04/22] rust/bql: Add BqlGuard to provide BQL context Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 05/22] rust/bql: Ensure BQL locked early at BqlRefCell borrowing Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 06/22] rust/memory: Add enable_lockless_io binding Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 07/22] rust/hpet: Reduce unnecessary mutable self argument Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 08/22] rust/hpet: Rename HPETRegister to DecodedRegister Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 09/22] rust/hpet: Rename decoded "reg" enumeration to "target" Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 10/22] rust/hpet: Abstract HPETTimerRegisters struct Zhao Liu
2025-11-13 11:24   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-11-14  4:37     ` Zhao Liu
2025-11-15  7:54       ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 11/22] rust/hpet: Make timer register accessors as methods of HPETTimerRegisters Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 12/22] rust/hpet: Abstract HPETRegisters struct Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 13/22] rust/hpet: Make global register accessors as methods of HPETRegisters Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 14/22] rust/hpet: Borrow HPETState.regs once in HPETState::post_load() Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 15/22] rust/hpet: Explicitly initialize complex fields in init() Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 16/22] rust/hpet: Pass &BqlRefCell<HPETRegisters> as argument during MMIO access Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 17/22] rust/hpet: Maintain HPETTimerRegisters in HPETRegisters Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 18/22] rust/hpet: Borrow BqlRefCell<HPETRegisters> at top level Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 19/22] rust/hpet: Rename hpet_regs variables to regs Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 20/22] rust/hpet: Apply Migratable<> wrapper and ToMigrationState for HPETRegisters Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 21/22] rust/hpet: Replace BqlRefCell<HPETRegisters> with Mutex<HPETRegisters> Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  9:31   ` Zhao Liu
2025-11-13 11:36     ` Zhao Liu
2025-11-13  5:19 ` [PATCH 22/22] rust/hpet: Enable lockless IO Zhao Liu
2025-11-13 14:29   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2025-11-14  6:39     ` Zhao Liu

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