From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,
qemu-rust@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/19] scripts/qapi: generate high-level Rust bindings
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 08:25:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87345h5vlb.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8b03a16-d957-4968-a7c8-38fec0b01a88@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2025 15:38:51 +0100")
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:
> On 12/9/25 11:03, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> * Why is util::qobject::QObject needed?
>>
>> * NONE is an error value, not a valid QType. Having such error values
>> in enums isn't unusual in C. What about idiomatic Rust? Even if it's
>> unusual there, we may elect to do it anyway, just to keep generated
>> Rust closer to C. But it should be a conscious decision, not a blind
>> port from C to Rust.
>
> For QType we don't need to keep it closer, but actually ABI-compatible:
> QType is defined by QAPI but is used (almost exclusively) by QObject.
> We use the C version in the QObject bindings, for example:
>
> $($crate::bindings::QTYPE_QNULL => break $unit,)?
I see. Worth a comment.
>> * "Default for QType" is NONE. In C, it's zero bytes, which boils down
>> to QTYPE_NONE.
>>
>> * QTYPE__MAX is a bit of a headache in C. It's not a valid enum value.
>> We make it one only because we need to know the largest valid enum
>> value, e.g. to size arrays, and the easiest way to get that value is
>> adding an invalid one to the enum. Same for all the other generated
>> enums. Could we avoid it in Rust?
>
> Yes, I think so.
>
>> * C has a file comment of the form
>>
>> /*
>> * One-line description of the file's purpose
>> *
>> * Copyright lines
>> *
>> * License blurb
>> */
>>
>> I think Rust could use such a comment, too.
>
> Ok.
>
>> * C has built-in types like QType in qapi-builtin-types.h, generated
>> only with -b. This is a somewhat crude way to let code generated for
>> multiple schemas coexist: pass -b for exactly one of them. If we
>> generated code for built-in types unconditionally into qapi-types.h,
>> the C compiler would choke on duplicate definitions. Why is this not
>> a problem with Rust?
>
> Because there's better namespacing, so it's okay to define the builtin
> types in more than one place. However, do we need at all the builtin
> types in Rust? QType is only defined in QAPI to have the nice enum
> lookup tables, and we can get it via FFI bindings. Lists, as you say
> below, are not needed, and they are also a part of qapi-builtin-types.h.
>
> So I think Rust does not need built-in types at all, which I think
> solves all your problems here (other than _MAX which can be removed).
Let's try this.
>> * The Rust version doesn't have deallocation boilerplate. Deallocation
>> just works there, I guess.
>>
>> * The Rust version doesn't have the List type. Lists just work there, I
>> guess.
>
> Yep.
>
>> * The Rust version doesn't have the implicit type q_obj_my_command_arg,
>> which is the arguments of my-command as a struct type. C needs it for
>> marshaling / unmarshaling with visitors. Rust doesn't, because we use
>> serde. Correct?
>
> Commands are not supported at all yet.
>
> Paolo
Thanks!
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Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-10 15:09 [PATCH 00/19] rust: QObject and QAPI bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 01/19] util: add ensure macro Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 02/19] rust/util: use anyhow's native chaining capabilities Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 03/19] rust: do not add qemuutil to Rust crates Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 8:30 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 12:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 04/19] rust/qobject: add basic bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 9:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 11:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11 7:21 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 05/19] subprojects: add serde Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 06/19] rust/qobject: add Serialize implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 9:47 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 17:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11 7:07 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 07/19] rust/qobject: add Serializer (to_qobject) implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 08/19] rust/qobject: add Deserialize implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 09/19] rust/qobject: add Deserializer (from_qobject) implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] rust/util: replace Error::err_or_unit/err_or_else with Error::with_errp Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] rust/qobject: add from/to JSON bindings for QObject Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 10:04 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 11:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 12:16 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-08 7:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-08 9:17 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-09 7:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] rust/qobject: add Display/Debug Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] scripts/qapi: add QAPISchemaIfCond.rsgen() Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 18:43 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] scripts/qapi: generate high-level Rust bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 10:03 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 14:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11 7:25 ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 15/19] scripts/qapi: add serde attributes Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 12:24 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 16/19] scripts/qapi: strip trailing whitespaces Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 8:48 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 17:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 17/19] scripts/rustc_args: add --no-strict-cfg Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 18/19] rust/util: build QAPI types Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 19/19] rust/tests: QAPI integration tests Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-30 17:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] rust: QObject and QAPI bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 13:55 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-09 6:01 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 14:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-10 14:50 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 16:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-10 16:59 ` Markus Armbruster
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