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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	 qemu-devel@nongnu.org, marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,
	 qemu-rust@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/19] scripts/qapi: generate high-level Rust bindings
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 08:25:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87345h5vlb.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8b03a16-d957-4968-a7c8-38fec0b01a88@redhat.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2025 15:38:51 +0100")

Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> On 12/9/25 11:03, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> * Why is util::qobject::QObject needed?
>> 
>> * NONE is an error value, not a valid QType.  Having such error values
>>    in enums isn't unusual in C.  What about idiomatic Rust?  Even if it's
>>    unusual there, we may elect to do it anyway, just to keep generated
>>    Rust closer to C.  But it should be a conscious decision, not a blind
>>    port from C to Rust.
>
> For QType we don't need to keep it closer, but actually ABI-compatible: 
> QType is defined by QAPI but is used (almost exclusively) by QObject. 
> We use the C version in the QObject bindings, for example:
>
>                  $($crate::bindings::QTYPE_QNULL => break $unit,)?

I see.  Worth a comment.

>> * "Default for QType" is NONE.  In C, it's zero bytes, which boils down
>>    to QTYPE_NONE.
>> 
>> * QTYPE__MAX is a bit of a headache in C.  It's not a valid enum value.
>>    We make it one only because we need to know the largest valid enum
>>    value, e.g. to size arrays, and the easiest way to get that value is
>>    adding an invalid one to the enum.  Same for all the other generated
>>    enums.  Could we avoid it in Rust?
>
> Yes, I think so.
>
>> * C has a file comment of the form
>> 
>>      /*
>>       * One-line description of the file's purpose
>>       *
>>       * Copyright lines
>>       *
>>       * License blurb
>>       */
>> 
>>    I think Rust could use such a comment, too.
>
> Ok.
>
>> * C has built-in types like QType in qapi-builtin-types.h, generated
>>    only with -b.  This is a somewhat crude way to let code generated for
>>    multiple schemas coexist: pass -b for exactly one of them.  If we
>>    generated code for built-in types unconditionally into qapi-types.h,
>>    the C compiler would choke on duplicate definitions.  Why is this not
>>    a problem with Rust?
>
> Because there's better namespacing, so it's okay to define the builtin 
> types in more than one place.  However, do we need at all the builtin 
> types in Rust?  QType is only defined in QAPI to have the nice enum 
> lookup tables, and we can get it via FFI bindings.  Lists, as you say 
> below, are not needed, and they are also a part of qapi-builtin-types.h.
>
> So I think Rust does not need built-in types at all, which I think 
> solves all your problems here (other than _MAX which can be removed).

Let's try this.

>> * The Rust version doesn't have deallocation boilerplate.  Deallocation
>>    just works there, I guess.
>> 
>> * The Rust version doesn't have the List type.  Lists just work there, I
>>    guess.
>
> Yep.
>
>> * The Rust version doesn't have the implicit type q_obj_my_command_arg,
>>    which is the arguments of my-command as a struct type.  C needs it for
>>    marshaling / unmarshaling with visitors.  Rust doesn't, because we use
>>    serde.  Correct?
>
> Commands are not supported at all yet.
>
> Paolo

Thanks!



  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-11  7:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-10 15:09 [PATCH 00/19] rust: QObject and QAPI bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 01/19] util: add ensure macro Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 02/19] rust/util: use anyhow's native chaining capabilities Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 03/19] rust: do not add qemuutil to Rust crates Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05  8:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 12:07     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 04/19] rust/qobject: add basic bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05  9:35   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 11:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11  7:21       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 05/19] subprojects: add serde Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 06/19] rust/qobject: add Serialize implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05  9:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 17:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11  7:07       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 07/19] rust/qobject: add Serializer (to_qobject) implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 08/19] rust/qobject: add Deserialize implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 09/19] rust/qobject: add Deserializer (from_qobject) implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] rust/util: replace Error::err_or_unit/err_or_else with Error::with_errp Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] rust/qobject: add from/to JSON bindings for QObject Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 10:04   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 11:09     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 12:16       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-08  7:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-08  9:17           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-09  7:34             ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] rust/qobject: add Display/Debug Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] scripts/qapi: add QAPISchemaIfCond.rsgen() Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 18:43   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] scripts/qapi: generate high-level Rust bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 10:03   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 14:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11  7:25       ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 15/19] scripts/qapi: add serde attributes Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 12:24   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 16/19] scripts/qapi: strip trailing whitespaces Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09  8:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 17:28     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 17/19] scripts/rustc_args: add --no-strict-cfg Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 18/19] rust/util: build QAPI types Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 19/19] rust/tests: QAPI integration tests Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-30 17:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] rust: QObject and QAPI bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 13:55 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-09  6:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 14:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-10 14:50       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 16:01         ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-10 16:59           ` Markus Armbruster

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