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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"open list:Rust-related patc..." <qemu-rust@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/19] rust/qobject: add from/to JSON bindings for QObject
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2025 10:17:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjk9fi2n.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABgObfYJiBZC6jx9wQGCubC8J6Gu0Hn9q+Zo_Dm1J8PcRJDNNw@mail.gmail.com> (Paolo Bonzini's message of "Mon, 8 Dec 2025 08:00:00 +0100")

Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> writes:

> Il ven 5 dic 2025, 13:16 Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> ha scritto:
>
>> > Note however that there is no support for push parsing, therefore this
>> > would not replace the balanced-parentheses machinery in
>> > qobject/json-streamer.c, and therefore QMP would still need a minimal
>> > lexer.
>>
>> That push parser...  I never liked it.  First, it's half-assed: it's a
>> push lexer wed to a pull parser with parenthesis counting.  Second, why
>> complicated & half-assed when you can do simple & quarter-assed instead?
>> We could've required "exactly one complete JSON value per line", or some
>> expression separator such as an empty line.
>
> Hmm not sure I agree, actually I think I disagree. It seems simpler but it
> is also different.

Management applications would be just fine with the different interface.

Human users would be better off.  As is, a missing right parenthesis is
met with silence.  You can then input whatever you want, and get more
silence until you somehow close the last parenthesis.  Quite confusing
unless you already know.

> Push parsing is not rocket science. It would be easy to write a proper one,
> it's just that there is no real reason other than cleanliness.

Me not liking what we have, when what we have works, is no reason to
rewrite it.

Even the lousy usability for humans doesn't justify a rewrite.

>> > Grr... I just remembered about interpolation :/ so no, we still need a
>> > parser for libqmp.c.
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> Interpolation lets us build QObjects from literal templates with
>> variable scalars or QObjects interpolated.  More concise and much easier
>> to read than the equivalend nest of constructor calls.  Drawback: chains
>> us to our own, bespoke JSON parser.
>
> And also, for similar reasons of practicality, single quotes (which IIRC
> also became valid QMP, and that's less excusable).

Single quotes should've been restricted to internal use, just like
interpolation.

> But while it's a pity, we still get a lot from serde, namely making the
> automatic generation of visitor code for structs someone else's problem.
>
>> Out of curiosity: how would we do better than "nest of constructor
>> calls" in Rust?
>
> You'd do that with a quoting macro, i.e.
>
> qobject!({"command": cmd})
>
> where the macro compiles to the nest of constructor calls, like
> QObject::from_iter([(c"command", to_qobject(cmd))]).

Thanks!



  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-08  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-10 15:09 [PATCH 00/19] rust: QObject and QAPI bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 01/19] util: add ensure macro Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 02/19] rust/util: use anyhow's native chaining capabilities Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 03/19] rust: do not add qemuutil to Rust crates Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05  8:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 12:07     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 04/19] rust/qobject: add basic bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05  9:35   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 11:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11  7:21       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 05/19] subprojects: add serde Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 06/19] rust/qobject: add Serialize implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05  9:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 17:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11  7:07       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 07/19] rust/qobject: add Serializer (to_qobject) implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 08/19] rust/qobject: add Deserialize implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 09/19] rust/qobject: add Deserializer (from_qobject) implementation Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 10/19] rust/util: replace Error::err_or_unit/err_or_else with Error::with_errp Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 11/19] rust/qobject: add from/to JSON bindings for QObject Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 10:04   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-05 11:09     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 12:16       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-08  7:00         ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-08  9:17           ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-12-09  7:34             ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 12/19] rust/qobject: add Display/Debug Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 13/19] scripts/qapi: add QAPISchemaIfCond.rsgen() Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 18:43   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:09 ` [PATCH 14/19] scripts/qapi: generate high-level Rust bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 10:03   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 14:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-11  7:25       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 15/19] scripts/qapi: add serde attributes Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09 12:24   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 16/19] scripts/qapi: strip trailing whitespaces Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-09  8:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 17:28     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 17/19] scripts/rustc_args: add --no-strict-cfg Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 18/19] rust/util: build QAPI types Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-10 15:10 ` [PATCH 19/19] rust/tests: QAPI integration tests Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-30 17:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] rust: QObject and QAPI bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-05 13:55 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-09  6:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 14:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-10 14:50       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-10 16:01         ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-10 16:59           ` Markus Armbruster

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