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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-rust@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/14] rust: qemu-api: add bindings to Error
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 21:19:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <97b16175-8d2f-41f9-b305-a532acbad095@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871ps02j8u.fsf@pond.sub.org>

On 6/4/25 07:01, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> This is what your FOO_or_propagate() functions are for.
> 
> The rule glosses over a subtle detail: the difference between
> error_setg() and error_propagate() isn't just create a new error vs. use
> an existing one, namely error_setg() makes the precondition violation
> mentioned above a programming error, whereas error_propagate() does not,
> it instead *ignores* the error it's supposed to propagate.
> 
> I consider this difference a design mistake.  Note that GError avoids
> this mistake: g_error_propagate() requieres the destination to NULL or
> point to NULL.  We deviated from GError, because we thought we were
> smarter.  We weren't.
> 
> Mostly harmless in practice, as behavior is identical for callers that
> satisfy the preconditions.
> 
> [...]
> 
> So here's the bottom line.  We want a Rust function to use C Error
> according to its written rules.  Due to a design mistake, C functions
> can behave in two different ways when their caller violates a certain
> precondition, depending on how the function transmits the error to the
> caller.  For Rust functions, we can
> 
> * Always behave the more common way, i.e. like a C function using
>    error_setg() to transmit.
> 
> * Always behave the less common way, i.e. like a C function using
>    error_propagate() to transmit.
> 
> * Sometimes one way, sometimes the other way.
> 
> This is actually in order of decreasing personal preference.  But what
> do *you* think?
I agree that there are arguments for both.  The reason to use 
error_setg() is that, even though these functions "propagate" a 
qemu_api::Error into a C Error**, the error is born in the Rust callback 
and therefore there is no error_setg() anywhere that could check for 
non-NULL abort().  There is a bigger risk of triggering 
error_propagate()'s weird behavior.

The reason to use error_propagate() is that these functions do look a 
lot more like error_propagate() than error_setg().  I'm undecided.  I 
think I'll keep the error_setg() semantics, which is essentially

     assert_eq!(unsafe { *errp }, ptr::null_mut());

followed by calling bindings::error_propagate().

Paolo



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-04 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-30  8:02 [PATCH v2 00/14] rust: bindings for Error Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 01/14] subprojects: add the anyhow crate Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 02/14] subprojects: add the foreign crate Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 03/14] util/error: expose Error definition to Rust code Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-03  3:06   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 04/14] util/error: allow non-NUL-terminated err->src Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-02 10:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 05/14] util/error: make func optional Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-02 10:52   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 06/14] rust: qemu-api: add bindings to Error Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-02 13:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-06-03  9:29     ` Zhao Liu
2025-06-03 10:32       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-06-03 15:05         ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-04  5:01           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-06-04 19:19             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2025-06-05  6:14               ` Markus Armbruster
2025-06-03 15:37     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:02 ` [PATCH 07/14] rust: qemu-api: add tests for Error bindings Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 08/14] rust: qdev: support returning errors from realize Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 09/14] rust/hpet: change type of num_timers to usize Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 10/14] hpet: adjust VMState for consistency with Rust version Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-03  3:11   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 11/14] hpet: return errors from realize if properties are incorrect Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 12/14] rust/hpet: " Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 13/14] rust/hpet: Drop BqlCell wrapper for num_timers Paolo Bonzini
2025-05-30  8:03 ` [PATCH 14/14] docs: update Rust module status Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-03  3:09   ` Zhao Liu
2025-06-02  7:49 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] rust: bindings for Error Markus Armbruster
2025-06-02  9:45   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-03  9:35 ` Zhao Liu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-06-05 10:15 [PATCH v3 " Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-05 10:15 ` [PATCH 06/14] rust: qemu-api: add bindings to Error Paolo Bonzini
2025-06-05 12:06   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-06-05 13:45   ` Zhao Liu

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