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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, "Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Manos Pitsidianakis" <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Junjie Mao" <junjie.mao@hotmail.com>,
	"Hanna Reitz" <hreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-rust@nongnu.org,
	Dapeng Mi <dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com>,
	Chuanxiao Dong <chuanxiao.dong@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/26] rust/memory: Integrate the vm-memory API from rust-vmm
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 16:13:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a3272f93-8766-46a0-bda2-ddea777ef79c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250807123027.2910950-1-zhao1.liu@intel.com>

[Adding Hanna who's been working on vm-memory]

On 8/7/25 14:30, Zhao Liu wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This RFC series explores integrating the vm-memory API into QEMU's
> rust/memory bindings.
> 
> Thanks to Paolo and Manos's many suggestions and feedback, I have
> resolved many issues over the past few months, but there are still
> some open issues that I would like to discuss.
> 
> This series finally provides the following safe interfaces in Rust:
>   * AddressSpace::write in Rust <=> address_space_write in C
>     - **but only** supports MEMTXATTRS_UNSPECIFIED
> 
>   * AddressSpace::read in Rust <=> address_space_read_full in C
>     - **but only** supports MEMTXATTRS_UNSPECIFIED.
> 
>   * AddressSpace::store in Rust <=> address_space_st{size} in C
>     - **but only** supports MEMTXATTRS_UNSPECIFIED and native endian.
> 
>   * AddressSpace::load in Rust <=> address_space_ld{size} in C
>     - **but only** supports MEMTXATTRS_UNSPECIFIED and native endian.

Endianness can be handled by BeNN and LeNN.  For MemTxAttrs we can use 
Bytes<(GuestAddress, MemTxAttrs)> (a variant on something you mention 
below).

Thinking out loud: maybe if we do our implementation in 
Bytes<(GuestAddress, MemTxAttrs)>, and Bytes<GuestAddress>::try_access 
wraps Bytes<(GuestAddress, MemTxAttrs)>, your downstream-only changes 
are not needed anymore?

> And this series involves changes mainly to these three parts:
>   * NEW QEMU memory APIs wrapper at C side.
>   * Extra changes for vm-memory (downstream for now).
>   * NEW QEMU memory bindings/APIs based on vm-memory at Rust side.
> 
> Although the number of line changes appears to be significant, more
> than half of them are documentation and comments.
Yep, thanks for writing them.

This is a good RFC, it's complete enough to show the challenges and the 
things that are missing stand up easily.

I'll look into what vm-memory is missing so that we can simplify QEMU's 
code further, but the basic traits match which is nice.  And the final 
outcome, which is essentially:

     let (addr, value) = (GuestAddress(self.fsb >> 32),
                          Le32(self.fsb as u32));
     ADDRESS_SPACE_MEMORY.memory().store(addr, value);

is as clean as it can be, if anything a bit wordy due to the 
GuestAddress "newtype" wrapper.  (If we decide it's too bad, the 
convenience methods in AddressSpace can automatically do the 
GuestAddress conversion...)

Paolo



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-07 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-07 12:30 [RFC 00/26] rust/memory: Integrate the vm-memory API from rust-vmm Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 01/26] rust/hpet: Fix the error caused by vm-memory Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 13:52   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-08  7:27     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 02/26] rust/cargo: Add the support for vm-memory Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 03/26] subprojects: Add thiserror-impl crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 04/26] subprojects: Add thiserror crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 05/26] subprojects: Add winapi-i686-pc-windows-gnu crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 06/26] subprojects: Add winapi-x86_64-pc-windows-gnu crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 07/26] subprojects: Add winapi crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 13:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-08  7:33     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 08/26] subprojects: Add vm-memory crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 09/26] rust: Add vm-memory in meson Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 10/26] subprojects/vm-memory: Patch vm-memory for QEMU memory backend Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 13:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-08  8:17     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-08  8:17       ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-08  8:51         ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 11/26] rust/cargo: Specify the patched vm-memory crate Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 12/26] rcu: Make rcu_read_lock & rcu_read_unlock not inline Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 13:54   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-08  8:19     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 13/26] rust: Add RCU bindings Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:29   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2025-08-07 13:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-09  7:21       ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-09  9:13         ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-09  9:26           ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2025-08-12 10:43             ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-12 10:31       ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 14/26] memory: Expose interfaces about Flatview reference count to Rust side Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 15/26] memory: Rename address_space_lookup_region and expose it " Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 16/26] memory: Make flatview_do_translate() return a pointer to MemoryRegionSection Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 13:57   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-12 15:39     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-12 15:42       ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2025-08-13 15:12         ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-12 19:23       ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-13 15:10         ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 17/26] memory: Add a translation helper to return MemoryRegionSection Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 18/26] memory: Rename flatview_access_allowed() to memory_region_access_allowed() Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:41   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 19/26] memory: Add MemoryRegionSection based misc helpers Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 20/26] memory: Add wrappers of intermediate steps for read/write Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 21/26] memory: Add store/load interfaces for Rust side Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 22/26] rust/memory: Implement vm_memory::GuestMemoryRegion for MemoryRegionSection Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 23/26] rust/memory: Implement vm_memory::GuestMemory for FlatView Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 24/26] rust/memory: Provide AddressSpace bindings Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 13:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-08-13 14:47     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 25/26] rust/memory: Add binding to check target endian Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:44   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2025-08-13 14:48     ` Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:30 ` [RFC 26/26] rust/hpet: Use safe binding to access address space Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 12:42 ` [RFC 00/26] rust/memory: Integrate the vm-memory API from rust-vmm Zhao Liu
2025-08-07 14:13 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2025-08-13 14:56   ` Zhao Liu

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