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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vishal Chourasia <vishalc@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	paulmck@kernel.org, frederic@kernel.org,
	neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org, joelagnelf@nvidia.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com, urezki@gmail.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de, sshegde@linux.ibm.com,
	srikar@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during CPU hotplug operations
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:01:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260113090153.GS830755@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWU21GJBx5WC0Gwv@linux.ibm.com>

On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 11:30:52PM +0530, Vishal Chourasia wrote:
> Hello Peter,
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 03:24:40PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2026 at 03:13:33PM +0530, Vishal Chourasia wrote:
> > > Bulk CPU hotplug operations—such as switching SMT modes across all
> > > cores—require hotplugging multiple CPUs in rapid succession. On large
> > > systems, this process takes significant time, increasing as the number
> > > of CPUs grows, leading to substantial delays on high-core-count
> > > machines. Analysis [1] reveals that the majority of this time is spent
> > > waiting for synchronize_rcu().
> > > 
> > > Expedite synchronize_rcu() during the hotplug path to accelerate the
> > > operation. Since CPU hotplug is a user-initiated administrative task,
> > > it should complete as quickly as possible.
> > > 
> > > Performance data on a PPC64 system with 400 CPUs:
> > > 
> > > + ppc64_cpu --smt=1 (SMT8 to SMT1)
> > > Before: real 1m14.792s
> > > After:  real 0m03.205s  # ~23x improvement
> > > 
> > > + ppc64_cpu --smt=8 (SMT1 to SMT8)
> > > Before: real 2m27.695s
> > > After:  real 0m02.510s  # ~58x improvement
> > > 
> > 
> > But who cares? Its not like you'd *ever* do this, right?
> Users dynamically adjust SMT modes to optimize performance of the
> workload being run. And, yes it doesn't happen too often, but when it
> does, on machines with (>= 1920 CPUs) it takes more than 20 mins to
> finish.

Users cannot change this, it is root only.

Having to change SMT mode per workload seems quite insane; but whatever.

If you do have to put RCU hooks anywhere; I'd much rather see them in
cpuhp_smt_{en,dis}able(), such that they only affect the batch hotplug
case, rather than everything using cpus_write_lock().

Also note that there is a case to be made to optimize this batch hotplug
case; for one it makes no sense to take cpus_write_lock() over and over
and over again; if you can pull that out, just like it already lifted
cpu_maps_update_begin(), this would help.

And Joel has a point, in that it might make sense for RCU to behave
'better' under these conditions.



  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-13  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-12  9:43 [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during CPU hotplug operations Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 10:08 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 10:43   ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 11:07     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 12:02   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-12 12:57     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 16:09       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 16:48         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 17:05           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 18:27             ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-13  0:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 22:24           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13  0:01             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-13  2:46               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13  4:53                 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-13  8:57                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-14  4:00                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-14  8:54                       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-16 19:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-14  3:59                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 17:09         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 17:36           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13 12:18             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-13 12:44               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13 14:17                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-13 14:32                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-13 14:53                     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-13 18:17                       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-13 17:58                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-01-12 12:21 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-12 12:46   ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 14:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 14:20   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 14:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-12 14:37       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-12 17:52         ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-12 14:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-12 18:00   ` Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-13  9:01     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-01-19 10:47       ` [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during SMT switch Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-19 11:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 13:45           ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-19 14:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 14:45               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-19 14:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-27 17:48           ` Samir M
2026-01-29  7:05             ` Samir M
2026-02-03  6:31             ` Samir M
2026-01-19 10:54       ` [RESEND] " Vishal Chourasia
2026-01-18 11:38 ` [PATCH] cpuhp: Expedite synchronize_rcu during CPU hotplug operations Samir M
2026-01-19  5:18   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-19 13:53     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-19 21:10       ` joelagnelf
2026-02-02  8:46     ` Vishal Chourasia

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