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From: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Cheung Wall <zzqq0103.hey@gmail.com>,
	Neeraj upadhyay <Neeraj.Upadhyay@amd.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@sony.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] rcu: Use _full() API to debug synchronize_rcu()
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 13:38:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9Au3RWVt9ERrea6@pc636> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250310015507.GA3993297@joelnvbox>

Hello, Joel!

> Hi Uladzislau,
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 02:16:13PM +0100, Uladzislau Rezki (Sony) wrote:
> > Switch for using of get_state_synchronize_rcu_full() and
> > poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full() pair to debug a normal
> > synchronize_rcu() call.
> > 
> > Just using "not" full APIs to identify if a grace period is
> > passed or not might lead to a false-positive kernel splat.
> > 
> > It can happen, because get_state_synchronize_rcu() compresses
> > both normal and expedited states into one single unsigned long
> > value, so a poll_state_synchronize_rcu() can miss GP-completion
> > when synchronize_rcu()/synchronize_rcu_expedited() concurrently
> > run.
> 
> Agreed, I provided a scenario below but let me know if I missed anything.
> 
> > To address this, switch to poll_state_synchronize_rcu_full() and
> > get_state_synchronize_rcu_full() APIs, which use separate variables
> > for expedited and normal states.
> 
> Reviewed-by: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
> 
> For completeness and just to clarify how this may happen, firstly as noted:
> rcu_poll_gp_seq_start/end() is called for both begin/end of normal and exp
> GPs thus compressing the use of the rcu_state.gp_seq_polled counter for
> both normal and exp GPs.
> 
> Then if we intersperse synchronize_rcu() with synchronize_rcu_expedited(),
> something like the following may happen.
> 
> CPU 0					CPU 1
> 
> 					synchronize_rcu_expedited()
> 					// -> rcu_poll_gp_seq_start()
> 					// This does rcu_seq_start on the
> 					// gp_seq_polled and
> 					// notes the started gp_seq_polled
> 					// (say its 5)
> synchronize_rcu()
>  -> synchronize_rcu_normal()
>   -> rs.head.func =
>      get_state_synchronize_rcu();
>      // saves the value 12
>  
> 
>  -> rcu_gp_init()
>   -> rcu_poll_gp_seq_start()
>   // rcu_seq_start does nothing
>   // but notes the pre-started
>   // gp_seq_polled (value 5)
> 
> -> rcu_gp_cleanup()
>   // -> rcu_poll_gp_seq_end()
>   // ends the gp_seq_polled since it
>   // matches prior saved gp_seq_polled (5)
>   // new gp_seq_polled is 8.
> 
>                         /*  NORMAL GP COMPLETES  */
> 
> rcu_gp_cleanup()
>  -> rcu_sr_normal_gp_cleanup()
>    -> rcu_sr_normal_complete()
>      -> poll_state_synchronize_rcu()
>        -> returns FALSE because gp_seq_polled is still 8.
>        -> Warning (false positive)
> 
> 
Thank you for clarification, this is good for archive :)

--
Uladzislau Rezki

      reply	other threads:[~2025-03-11 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-27 13:16 [PATCH v4 1/3] rcutorture: Allow a negative value for nfakewriters Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-02-27 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] rcu: Update TREE05.boot to test normal synchronize_rcu() Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-02-27 13:16 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] rcu: Use _full() API to debug synchronize_rcu() Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2025-02-27 17:12   ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 17:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-27 17:30       ` Boqun Feng
2025-02-27 17:44       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-28 15:41         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-28 16:36           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-28 17:08             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-28 18:25               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-28 18:30                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-28 18:21             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-28 18:24               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-28 18:38                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-28 19:12                   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-02-28 19:59                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-01  1:08                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-02 10:19                         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-03-02 17:39                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-02 18:46                             ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-02 20:36                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-03 16:03                                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-03-03  0:15                         ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-03  0:17                           ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-03 17:00                             ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-03 17:07                               ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-03 17:30                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-03 17:59                                   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-03 18:55                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-03 20:02                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-04  3:23                           ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-04 10:52                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-03-04 10:56                               ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-03-05  2:54                                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-05 15:37                                   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-05 15:24                             ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-27 17:43     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-03-10  1:55   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-11 12:38     ` Uladzislau Rezki [this message]

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