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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	 "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	 Yiwei Zhang <zzyiwei@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] KVM: x86: Remove VMX support for virtualizing guest MTRR memtypes
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:47:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZfMOHSTHXoPxP6v8@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <73c670d1-0301-49bf-472c-97ae8d1b6c7c@oracle.com>

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, Dongli Zhang wrote:
> On 3/12/24 10:08, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 11, 2024, Dongli Zhang wrote:
> >> Since it is also controlled by other cases, e.g., kvm_arch_has_noncoherent_dma()
> >> at vmx_get_mt_mask(), it can be 'may_honor_guest_pat' too?
> >>
> >> Therefore, why not directly use 'shadow_memtype_mask' (without the API), or some
> >> naming like "ept_enabled_for_hardware".
> > 
> > Again, after this series, KVM will *always* honor guest PAT for CPUs with self-snoop,
> > i.e. KVM will *never* ignore guest PAT.  But for CPUs without self-snoop (or with
> > errata), KVM conditionally honors/ignores guest PAT.
> > 
> >> Even with the code from PATCH 5/5, we still have high chance that VM has
> >> non-coherent DMA?
> > 
> > I don't follow.  On CPUs with self-snoop, whether or not the VM has non-coherent
> > DMA (from VFIO!) is irrelevant.  If the CPU has self-snoop, then KVM can safely
> > honor guest PAT at all times.
> 
> 
> Thank you very much for the explanation.
> 
> According to my understanding of the explanation (after this series):
> 
> 1. When static_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_SELFSNOOP) == true, it is 100% to "honor
> guest PAT".

Yes.

> 2. When static_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_SELFSNOOP) == false (and
> shadow_memtype_mask), although only 50% chance (depending on where there is
> non-coherent DMA), at least now it is NOT 100% (to honor guest PAT) any longer.

Yes, though I wouldn't assign a percent probability to the non-coherent DMA case.

> Due to the fact it is not 100% (to honor guest PAT) any longer, there starts the
> trend (from 100% to 50%) to "ignore guest PAT", that is:
> kvm_mmu_may_ignore_guest_pat().

Yep.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-14 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-09  1:09 [PATCH 0/5] KVM: VMX: Drop MTRR virtualization, honor guest PAT Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 1/5] KVM: x86: Remove VMX support for virtualizing guest MTRR memtypes Sean Christopherson
2024-03-11  7:44   ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-12  0:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-12  1:10   ` Dongli Zhang
2024-03-12 17:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-14 10:31       ` Dongli Zhang
2024-03-14 14:47         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 2/5] KVM: VMX: Drop support for forcing UC memory when guest CR0.CD=1 Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 3/5] srcu: Add an API for a memory barrier after SRCU read lock Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 4/5] KVM: x86: Ensure a full memory barrier is emitted in the VM-Exit path Sean Christopherson
2024-06-20 22:38   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-06-20 23:42     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-21  0:52     ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-09  1:09 ` [PATCH 5/5] KVM: VMX: Always honor guest PAT on CPUs that support self-snoop Sean Christopherson
2024-03-11  1:16   ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-12  0:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-12  7:30       ` Tian, Kevin
2024-03-12 16:07         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-13  1:18           ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-13  8:52             ` Tian, Kevin
2024-03-13  8:55               ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-13 15:09                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-14  0:12                   ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-14  1:00                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-25  3:43   ` Chao Gao
2024-04-01 22:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-30  9:35   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 11:05     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2024-08-30 13:47       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 13:52         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-30 14:06           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 14:37             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-08-30 16:13               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-02  8:23                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2024-09-02  1:44         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-02  9:49           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-09-03  0:25             ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-03 15:30             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-03 16:20               ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-09-04  2:28                 ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04 12:17                   ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-05  0:41                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-05  9:43                       ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-09  5:30                         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-09 13:24                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 16:04                             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10  1:05                             ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04 11:47                 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-10-07 13:28     ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-10-07 13:38       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-10-07 14:04         ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-03-22  9:29 ` [PATCH 0/5] KVM: VMX: Drop MTRR virtualization, honor guest PAT Ma, Yongwei
2024-03-22 13:08 ` Yan Zhao
2024-03-25  6:56   ` Ma, XiangfeiX
2024-03-25  8:02     ` Ma, XiangfeiX
2024-06-05 23:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-06-06  0:03   ` Paul E. McKenney

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