From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Kunwu Chan <kunwu.chan@linux.dev>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
rcu@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
Keir Fraser <keirf@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] srcu: KVM: Add, export and use call_srcu_expedited()
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 16:12:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <abSZyLff5y-IQ0Ix@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <067c53cc-b015-43c6-9ba3-c734eff17819@linux.dev>
On Fri, Mar 13, 2026, Kunwu Chan wrote:
> On 3/10/26 03:30, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > We've got a conundrum in KVM where we have multiple use cases that generally
> > want the same thing (eliminate waiting on guest configuration changes whenever
> > possible), but use KVM uAPIs in slightly different ways and effectively create
> > competing requirements.
> >
> > The crux of the problem is that one use case wants KVM to free an object via
> > call_srcu() so that the task doesn't risk getting stalled waiting for a grace
> > period. But for the other use case, using call_srcu() can trigger a
> > non-expedited grace period and cause a synchronize_srcu_expedited() in a
> > different ioctl (that must do a full sync, i.e. can't use call_srcu()) to stall
> > waiting for the non-expedited grace period.
> >
> > Tagged RFC because while having the call_srcu() request do an expedited grace
> > period eliminates the unwanted synchronize_srcu_expedited() stalls, this feels
> > like a very crude fix. That said, I'm definitely not opposed to this being a
> > final solution if it's the best option available.
> >
> > Sean Christopherson (3):
> > srcu: Declare exported symbols before including srcu{tiny,tree}.h
> > srcu: Add and export call_srcu_expedited() to avoid transferring grace
> > periods
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for writing this up.
>
> The scenario you describe looks plausible.
>
> That said, the cover letter wording might be a bit stronger than
> current SRCU behavior warrants. A later synchronize_srcu_expedited()
> can attempt to expedite an in-flight grace period, but it cannot
> avoid delay already incurred (for example, if the GP has already
> gone to sleep).
>
> More generally, before adding an exported call_srcu_expedited()
> helper, should we consider improving existing in-flight promotion
> or delay behavior, or otherwise making the "expedite current GP"
> case more explicit without introducing a new callback-facing API?
I'm all for a general solution, but that's far, far beyond my SRCU knowledge level.
I was quite proud of myself for piecing together the incurred-delay. :-)
FYI, I'm going to be unavailable for ~2 weeks. Nikita (Cc'd) can likely help test
potential fixes.
Thanks!
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-13 23:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-09 19:30 [RFC PATCH 0/3] srcu: KVM: Add, export and use call_srcu_expedited() Sean Christopherson
2026-03-09 19:30 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] srcu: Declare exported symbols before including srcu{tiny,tree}.h Sean Christopherson
2026-03-09 19:30 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] srcu: Add and export call_srcu_expedited() to avoid transferring grace periods Sean Christopherson
2026-03-09 19:30 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] KVM: Expedite SRCU callbacks when freeing objects during I/O bus registration Sean Christopherson
2026-03-13 8:51 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] srcu: KVM: Add, export and use call_srcu_expedited() Kunwu Chan
2026-03-13 23:12 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
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