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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Jeff Layton" <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	"Amir Goldstein" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Eric Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Jeremy Kerr" <jk@ozlabs.org>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
	"Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 87/87] fs: move i_blocks up a few places in struct inode
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:32:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230929-keimt-umspannen-bfd12d2c2033@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wij_42Q9WHY898r-gugmT5c-1JJKRh3C+nTUd1hc1aeqQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 10:41:34AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sept 2023 at 04:06, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Move i_blocks up above the i_lock, which moves the new 4 byte hole to
> > just after the timestamps, without changing the size of the structure.
> 
> I'm sure others have mentioned this, but 'struct inode' is marked with
> __randomize_layout, so the actual layout may end up being very
> different.
> 
> I'm personally not convinced the whole structure randomization is
> worth it - it's easy enough to figure out for any distro kernel since
> the seed has to be the same across machines for modules to work, so
> even if the seed isn't "public", any layout is bound to be fairly
> easily discoverable.
> 
> So the whole randomization only really works for private kernel
> builds, and it adds this kind of pain where "optimizing" the structure
> layout is kind of pointless depending on various options.
> 
> I certainly *hope* no distro enables that pointless thing, but it's a worry.

They don't last we checked. Just last cycle we moved stuff in struct
file around to optimize things and we explicitly said we don't give a
damn about struct randomization. Anyone who enables this will bleed
performance pretty badly, I would reckon.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-29  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-28 11:05 [PATCH 85/87] fs: rename i_atime and i_mtime fields to __i_atime and __i_mtime Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` [PATCH 86/87] fs: switch timespec64 fields in inode to discrete integers Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 15:48   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 17:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:19       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-28 17:40         ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 20:21           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-28 21:26           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-09-29  0:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  3:50               ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]                 ` <CAOQ4uxg5ctY9yCjLOjN1nETAcEuNb2UERnYuDv7PoErdxX=WUw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-09-29 16:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-29  3:27         ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]         ` <6a6f37d16b55a3003af3f3dbb7778a367f68cd8d.camel-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2023-09-29  6:32           ` David Howells
2023-09-30 14:50             ` Steve French
2023-10-01  5:01               ` [OT] " Gabriel Paubert
2023-09-29  9:44       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-29 10:16         ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:09   ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:05 ` [PATCH 87/87] fs: move i_blocks up a few places in struct inode Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 11:35   ` Amir Goldstein
2023-09-28 12:01     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-28 17:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-28 18:01     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-29  9:32     ` Christian Brauner [this message]

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