From: Alice Ryhl <alice@ryhl.io>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: a.hindborg@samsung.com, alex.gaynor@gmail.com,
benno.lossin@proton.me, bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com,
gary@garyguo.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ojeda@kernel.org,
rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, walmeida@microsoft.com,
wedsonaf@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef`
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 17:30:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b7fc71c-b3c7-4c29-92a9-587daa46ad59@ryhl.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRGknJCB6tFgX3Gr@Boquns-Mac-mini.home>
On 9/25/23 17:17, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 03:00:47PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
>>>>> I'm concerned about this change, because an `&WithRef<T>` only has
>>>>> immutable permissions for the allocation. No pointer derived from it
>>>>> may be used to modify the value in the Arc, however, the drop
>>>>> implementation of Arc will do exactly that.
>>>>
>>>> That is indeed a problem. We could put the value in an `UnsafeCell`, but
>>>> that would lose us niche optimizations and probably also other optimizations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure I understand the problem here, why do we allow modifying the
>>> value in the Arc if you only have a shared ownership?
>>
>> Well, usually it's when you have exclusive access even though the value
>> is in an `Arc`.
>>
>> The main example of this is the destructor of the `Arc`. When the last
>> refcount drops to zero, this gives you exclusive access. This lets you
>> run the destructor. The destructor requires mutable access.
>>
>> Another example would be converting the `Arc` back into an `UniqueArc`
>> by checking that the refcount is 1. Once you have a `UniqueArc`, you can
>> use it to mutate the inner value.
>>
>> Finally, there are methods like `Arc::get_mut_unchecked`, where you
>> unsafely assert that nobody else is using the value while you are
>> modifying it. We don't have that in our version of `Arc` right now, but
>> we might want to add it later.
>>
>
> Hmm.. but the only way to get an `Arc` from `&WithRef` is
>
> impl From<&WithRef<T>> for Arc<T> {
> ...
> }
>
> , and we clone `Arc` in the that function (i.e. copying the raw
> pointer), so we are still good?
>
No, the raw pointer in the Arc was created from the immutable reference,
so the raw pointer has the same restrictions as the immutable reference did.
Alice
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-25 15:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-23 14:49 [PATCH v2 0/2] Remove `ArcBorrow` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] rust: arc: rename `ArcInner` to `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:31 ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:41 ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25 6:21 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-23 14:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] rust: arc: remove `ArcBorrow` in favour of `WithRef` Wedson Almeida Filho
2023-09-23 19:32 ` Martin Rodriguez Reboredo
2023-09-24 11:59 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-24 13:36 ` Jianguo Bao
2023-09-25 6:29 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 9:14 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 14:49 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:00 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:17 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 15:30 ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2023-09-25 16:02 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 16:11 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 15:07 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 16:16 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 17:00 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 18:51 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:03 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 21:55 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 21:58 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 22:02 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:06 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 22:26 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-25 22:34 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-25 23:24 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 8:26 ` Gary Guo
2023-09-26 15:24 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 15:41 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 16:35 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 17:15 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 17:43 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 18:26 ` Benno Lossin
2023-09-26 21:31 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-26 18:20 ` Boqun Feng
2023-09-26 21:27 ` Alice Ryhl
2023-09-25 15:04 ` Alice Ryhl
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