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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Wedson Almeida Filho" <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
	"Martijn Coenen" <maco@android.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Daniel Xu" <dxu@dxuuu.xyz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Martin Rodriguez Reboredo" <yakoyoku@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] rust: file: add `DeferredFdCloser`
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 12:26:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240331-waran-geldregen-aa3d299c6680@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH5fLgjeet1nhycCqdaKE9CSY02XW85jn302zNEjJNQaJ1czGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 02:28:15PM +0100, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 3:22 PM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 11:18:21AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > >
> > > +/// Helper used for closing file descriptors in a way that is safe even if the file is currently
> > > +/// held using `fdget`.
> > > +///
> > > +/// Additional motivation can be found in commit 80cd795630d6 ("binder: fix use-after-free due to
> > > +/// ksys_close() during fdget()") and in the comments on `binder_do_fd_close`.
> > > +pub struct DeferredFdCloser {
> > > +    inner: Box<DeferredFdCloserInner>,
> > > +}
> > > +
> > > +/// SAFETY: This just holds an allocation with no real content, so there's no safety issue with
> > > +/// moving it across threads.
> > > +unsafe impl Send for DeferredFdCloser {}
> > > +unsafe impl Sync for DeferredFdCloser {}
> > > +
> > > +/// # Invariants
> > > +///
> > > +/// If the `file` pointer is non-null, then it points at a `struct file` and owns a refcount to
> > > +/// that file.
> > > +#[repr(C)]
> > > +struct DeferredFdCloserInner {
> > > +    twork: mem::MaybeUninit<bindings::callback_head>,
> > > +    file: *mut bindings::file,
> > > +}
> > > +
> > > +impl DeferredFdCloser {
> >
> > So the explicitly deferred close is due to how binder works so it's not
> > much of a general purpose interface as I don't recall having other
> > codepaths with similar problems. So this should live in the binder
> > specific rust code imo.
> 
> Hmm. Are there really no other ioctls that call ksys_close on a
> user-provided fd?

No, I don't think there are otherwise they would have the same bug that
binder had. io_uring comes closest but they have their own task work
and deferred close implementation.

> 
> As far as I can tell, this kind of deferred API is the only way for us
> to provide a fully safe Rust api for closing an fd. Directly calling
> ksys_close must unsafely assert that the fd does not have an active
> fdget call. So it makes sense to me as an API that others might want
> to use.

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand you here.

What binder is doing iirc is that it's performing an ioctl() using a fd
to /dev/binderfs/$device-node or similar. The fatal flaw is that binder
now allows that fd to be closed during that ioctl - and by accident at
that. It's effectively closing a file it's relying on to not go away.
That's the original nonsense/creativity that necessitates this whole
manual task work shenanigans binder is doing. Unless I misremember.

But that's really frowned upon generally and absolutely not encouraged
by providing a generic interface for this stuff.

Sure, we have some users in the kernel that do stuff like call
close_fd() on a file descriptor they just installed into their file
descriptor table. That's usually bad design with maybe a few valid
exceptions. One example where that's still done and should be fixed is
e.g., cachefiles in fs/cachefiles/ondemand.c. The point is that they at
least close a file descriptor that they just installed and that they
don't rely on being valid.

So really, I need more details why without this interface it would
prevent Rust from implementing safe file descriptor closing because
right now all I see is a design flaw in binder being promoted to a
generic interface. And unless there's detailed reasons for it's
existence we're not going to do it.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-31 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-09 11:18 [PATCH v5 0/9] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] rust: types: add `NotThreadSafe` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:49   ` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] rust: task: add `Task::current_raw` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file` Alice Ryhl
2024-03-20 15:20   ` Christian Brauner
2024-03-20 18:09     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-03-31 12:55       ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-01 12:09         ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-01 15:26           ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-02  9:39             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-03  6:01               ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-03 11:33                 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-08  7:45                 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-04-17  8:22                   ` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] rust: cred: add Rust abstraction for `struct cred` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] rust: security: add abstraction for secctx Alice Ryhl
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] rust: file: add `FileDescriptorReservation` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-10  7:41   ` Trevor Gross
2024-03-20 15:33   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] rust: file: add `Kuid` wrapper Alice Ryhl
2024-02-10  7:43   ` Trevor Gross
2024-02-12 10:04     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-12 16:00       ` Boqun Feng
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] rust: file: add `DeferredFdCloser` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-10  7:47   ` Trevor Gross
2024-03-20 14:21   ` Christian Brauner
2024-03-21 13:28     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-03-31 10:26       ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2024-02-09 11:18 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] rust: file: add abstraction for `poll_table` Alice Ryhl
2024-02-10  7:52   ` Trevor Gross

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