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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	 "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	 Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	 Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Bjoern Roy Baron <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	 Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@samsung.com>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Arve Hjonnevag <arve@android.com>, Todd Kjos <tkjos@android.com>,
	 Martijn Coenen <maco@android.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	 Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Daniel Xu <dxu@dxuuu.xyz>,
	 Martin Rodriguez Reboredo <yakoyoku@gmail.com>,
	Trevor Gross <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] rust: add PidNamespace wrapper
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 16:21:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240927-anreden-unwirklich-c98c1d9ac3a5@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH5fLghUj3-8eZMOVhhk0c9x29B7uMj=9dHWsRJYC1ghxqUdxg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 02:04:13PM GMT, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 6:36 PM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so here's my feeble attempt at getting something going for wrapping
> > struct pid_namespace as struct pid_namespace indirectly came up in the
> > file abstraction thread.
> 
> This looks great!

Thanks!

> 
> > The lifetime of a pid namespace is intimately tied to the lifetime of
> > task. The pid namespace of a task doesn't ever change. A
> > unshare(CLONE_NEWPID) or setns(fd_pidns/pidfd, CLONE_NEWPID) will not
> > change the task's pid namespace only the pid namespace of children
> > spawned by the task. This invariant is important to keep in mind.
> >
> > After a task is reaped it will be detached from its associated struct
> > pids via __unhash_process(). This will also set task->thread_pid to
> > NULL.
> >
> > In order to retrieve the pid namespace of a task task_active_pid_ns()
> > can be used. The helper works on both current and non-current taks but
> > the requirements are slightly different in both cases and it depends on
> > where the helper is called.
> >
> > The rules for this are simple but difficult for me to translate into
> > Rust. If task_active_pid_ns() is called on current then no RCU locking
> > is needed as current is obviously alive. On the other hand calling
> > task_active_pid_ns() after release_task() would work but it would mean
> > task_active_pid_ns() will return NULL.
> >
> > Calling task_active_pid_ns() on a non-current task, while valid, must be
> > under RCU or other protection mechanism as the task might be
> > release_task() and thus in __unhash_process().
> 
> Just to confirm, calling task_active_pid_ns() on a non-current task
> requires the rcu lock even if you own a refcont on the task?

Interesting question. Afaik, yes. task_active_pid_ns() goes via
task->thread_pid which is a shorthand for task->pid_links[PIDTYPE_PID].

This will be NULLed when the task exits and is dead (so usually when
someone has waited on it - ignoring ptrace for sanity reasons and
autoreaping the latter amounts to the same thing just in-kernel):

T1                      T2                                                   T3
exit(0);
                        wait(T1)
                        -> wait_task_zombie()
                           -> release_task()
                              -> __exit_signals()
                                 -> __unash_process()
                                    // sets task->thread_pid == NULL         task_active_pid_ns(T1)
                                    // task->pid_links[PIDTYPE_PID] == NULL

So having a reference to struct task_struct doesn't prevent
task->thread_pid becoming NULL.

And you touch upon a very interesting point. The lifetime of struct
pid_namespace is actually tied to struct pid much tighter than it is to
struct task_struct. So when a task is released (transitions from zombie
to dead in the common case) the following happens:

release_task()
-> __exit_signals()
   -> thread_pid = get_pid(task->thread_pid)
      -> __unhash_process()
         -> detach_pid(PIDTYPE_PID)
            -> __change_pid()
               {
                       task->thread_pid = NULL;
                       task->pid_links[PIDTYPE_PID] = NULL;
                       free_pid(thread_pid)
               }
         put_pid(thread_pid)

And the free_pid() in __change_pid() does a delayed_put_pid() via
call_rcu().

So afaiu, taking the rcu_read_lock() synchronizes against that
delayed_put_pid() in __change_pid() so the call_rcu() will wait until
everyone who does

rcu_read_lock()
task_active_pid_ns(task)
rcu_read_unlock()

and sees task->thread_pid non-NULL, is done. This way no additional
reference count on struct task_struct or struct pid is needed before
plucking the pid namespace from there. Does that make sense or have I
gotten it all wrong?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-27 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-15 14:31 [PATCH v10 0/8] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 1/8] rust: types: add `NotThreadSafe` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 15:38   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-27 11:21     ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-09-24 19:45   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-09-25 11:06     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-25 13:59       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2024-09-27 10:20         ` Gary Guo
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 2/8] rust: task: add `Task::current_raw` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 3/8] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 21:51   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 4/8] rust: cred: add Rust abstraction for `struct cred` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 20:24   ` Kees Cook
2024-09-15 20:55     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-19  7:57   ` Paul Moore
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 5/8] rust: security: add abstraction for secctx Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 20:58   ` Kees Cook
2024-09-15 21:07     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-16 15:40       ` Casey Schaufler
2024-09-17 13:18         ` Paul Moore
2024-09-22 15:01           ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-22 15:08         ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-22 16:50           ` Casey Schaufler
2024-09-22 17:04             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-19  7:56   ` Paul Moore
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 6/8] rust: file: add `FileDescriptorReservation` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 18:39   ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 19:34     ` Al Viro
2024-09-16  4:18       ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 20:13     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 22:01       ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 22:05         ` Al Viro
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 7/8] rust: file: add `Kuid` wrapper Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 22:02   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-23  9:13     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-26 16:33       ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-26 16:35       ` [PATCH] [RFC] rust: add PidNamespace wrapper Christian Brauner
2024-09-27 12:04         ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-27 14:21           ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2024-09-27 14:58             ` Alice Ryhl
2024-10-01  9:43         ` [PATCH v2] rust: add PidNamespace Christian Brauner
2024-10-01 10:26           ` Alice Ryhl
2024-10-01 14:17             ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-01 15:45               ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-10-02 10:14                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-10-02 11:08                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2024-10-01 19:10           ` Gary Guo
2024-10-02 11:05             ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-15 14:31 ` [PATCH v10 8/8] rust: file: add abstraction for `poll_table` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-15 22:24   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-23  9:10     ` Alice Ryhl
2024-09-27  9:28 ` [PATCH v10 0/8] File abstractions needed by Rust Binder Christian Brauner

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