[PATCH 0/2] rust/kernel: Add bindings for manually creating devices

[PATCH 0/2] rust/kernel: Add bindings for manually creating devices

[Lyude Paul]

As many of you are probably aware, there's a number of kernel modules in
the Linux kernel that don't actually probe a device on a bus - but
instead simply create a virtual platform device. One such example is the
virmidi driver (sound/drivers/virmidi.c) These patches add the
ability to do this with our current platform device bindings for rust.

The main usecase for this is the WIP driver, rvkms:

https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/131522/

Lyude Paul (2):
  rust/kernel: Add platform::Device::from_raw()
  rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

 rust/kernel/platform.rs | 111 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
 1 file changed, 109 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)


base-commit: b323d8e7bc03d27dec646bfdccb7d1a92411f189
-- 
2.47.1

[PATCH 1/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::Device::from_raw()

[Lyude Paul]

Just a convenience method to convert from a raw struct platform_device
pointer into a platform::Device object, which we'll be using in the next
commit.

Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
---
 rust/kernel/platform.rs | 17 ++++++++++++++++-
 1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/rust/kernel/platform.rs b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
index 50e6b04218132..75dc7824eccf4 100644
--- a/rust/kernel/platform.rs
+++ b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
@@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
     ThisModule,
 };
 
-use core::ptr::addr_of_mut;
+use core::ptr::{NonNull, addr_of_mut};
 
 /// An adapter for the registration of platform drivers.
 pub struct Adapter<T: Driver>(T);
@@ -186,6 +186,21 @@ unsafe fn from_dev(dev: ARef<device::Device>) -> Self {
         Self(dev)
     }
 
+    /// Convert a raw pointer to a `struct platform_device` into a `Device`.
+    ///
+    /// # Safety
+    ///
+    /// * `pdev` must be a valid pointer to a `bindings::platform_device`.
+    /// * The caller must be guaranteed to hold at least one reference to `pdev`.
+    unsafe fn from_raw(pdev: *mut bindings::platform_device) -> Self {
+        // SAFETY:
+        // * Our safety contract ensures `pdev` is a valid pointer which we hold at least one
+        //   reference to.
+        // * struct device and `device::Device` have equivalent data layouts via the
+        //   `device::Device` type invariants.
+        Self(unsafe { ARef::from_raw(NonNull::new_unchecked(addr_of_mut!((*pdev).dev).cast())) })
+    }
+
     fn as_raw(&self) -> *mut bindings::platform_device {
         // SAFETY: By the type invariant `self.0.as_raw` is a pointer to the `struct device`
         // embedded in `struct platform_device`.
-- 
2.47.1

[PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Lyude Paul]

A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
same manner as any other kernel device.

This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
registration of the device.

Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
Co-authored-by: Maíra Canal <mairacanal@riseup.net>
---
 rust/kernel/platform.rs | 96 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
 1 file changed, 94 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/rust/kernel/platform.rs b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
index 75dc7824eccf4..b5d38bb182e93 100644
--- a/rust/kernel/platform.rs
+++ b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
@@ -13,8 +13,11 @@
     types::{ARef, ForeignOwnable, Opaque},
     ThisModule,
 };
-
-use core::ptr::{NonNull, addr_of_mut};
+use core::{
+    mem::ManuallyDrop,
+    ops::*,
+    ptr::{addr_of_mut, NonNull},
+};
 
 /// An adapter for the registration of platform drivers.
 pub struct Adapter<T: Driver>(T);
@@ -213,3 +216,92 @@ fn as_ref(&self) -> &device::Device {
         &self.0
     }
 }
+
+/// A platform device ID specifier.
+///
+/// This type is used for selecting the kind of device ID to use when constructing a new
+/// [`ModuleDevice`].
+#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
+pub enum ModuleDeviceId {
+    /// Do not use a device ID with a device.
+    None,
+    /// Automatically allocate a device ID for a device.
+    Auto,
+    /// Explicitly specify a device ID for a device.
+    Explicit(i32),
+}
+
+impl ModuleDeviceId {
+    fn as_raw(self) -> Result<i32> {
+        match self {
+            ModuleDeviceId::Explicit(id) => {
+                if matches!(
+                    id,
+                    bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE | bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO
+                ) {
+                    Err(EINVAL)
+                } else {
+                    Ok(id)
+                }
+            }
+            ModuleDeviceId::None => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE),
+            ModuleDeviceId::Auto => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO),
+        }
+    }
+}
+
+/// A platform device that was created by a module.
+///
+/// This type represents a platform device that was manually created by a kernel module, typically a
+/// virtual device, instead of being discovered by the kernel. It is probed upon creation in the
+/// same manner as a typical platform device, and the device will not be unregistered until this
+/// type is dropped.
+// We store the Device in a ManuallyDrop container, since we must enforce that our reference to the
+// Device is dropped using platform_device_unregister()
+pub struct ModuleDevice(ManuallyDrop<Device>);
+
+impl ModuleDevice {
+    /// Create and register a new platform device.
+    ///
+    /// This creates and registers a new platform device. This is usually only useful for drivers
+    /// which create virtual devices, as drivers for real hardware can rely on the kernel's probing
+    /// process.
+    pub fn new(name: &'static CStr, id: ModuleDeviceId) -> Result<Self> {
+        // SAFETY:
+        // * ModuleDeviceId::as_raw() always returns a valid device ID
+        // * Returns NULL on failure, or a valid platform_device pointer on success
+        let pdev_ptr = unsafe { bindings::platform_device_alloc(name.as_char_ptr(), id.as_raw()?) };
+        if pdev_ptr.is_null() {
+            return Err(ENOMEM);
+        }
+
+        // SAFETY:
+        // * The previous function is guaranteed to have returned a valid pointer to a platform_dev,
+        //   or NULL (which we checked for already)
+        // * The previous function also took a single reference to the platform_dev
+        let pdev = unsafe { Device::from_raw(pdev_ptr) };
+
+        // SAFETY: We already checked that pdev_ptr is valid above.
+        to_result(unsafe { bindings::platform_device_add(pdev_ptr) })
+            .map(|_| ModuleDevice(ManuallyDrop::new(pdev)))
+    }
+}
+
+impl Deref for ModuleDevice {
+    type Target = Device;
+
+    fn deref(&self) -> &Self::Target {
+        &self.0
+    }
+}
+
+impl Drop for ModuleDevice {
+    fn drop(&mut self) {
+        // SAFETY: Only one instance of this type can exist for a given platform device, so this is
+        // safe to call.
+        unsafe { bindings::platform_device_unregister(self.as_raw()) }
+
+        // No need to manually drop our contents, as platform_device_unregister() dropped the ref
+        // count that was owned by this type.
+    }
+}
-- 
2.47.1

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> same manner as any other kernel device.
> 
> This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> registration of the device.

Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
firmware somehow.

The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
/sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
something new?

And modules are code, not data.  Let's not start to even attempt to tie
lifetimes of device structures to module code, that way lies madness and
rolls back the work we did decades ago to split the two apart :)
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> Co-authored-by: Maíra Canal <mairacanal@riseup.net>
> ---
>  rust/kernel/platform.rs | 96 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 94 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/rust/kernel/platform.rs b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> index 75dc7824eccf4..b5d38bb182e93 100644
> --- a/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> +++ b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> @@ -13,8 +13,11 @@
>      types::{ARef, ForeignOwnable, Opaque},
>      ThisModule,
>  };
> -
> -use core::ptr::{NonNull, addr_of_mut};
> +use core::{
> +    mem::ManuallyDrop,
> +    ops::*,
> +    ptr::{addr_of_mut, NonNull},
> +};
>  
>  /// An adapter for the registration of platform drivers.
>  pub struct Adapter<T: Driver>(T);
> @@ -213,3 +216,92 @@ fn as_ref(&self) -> &device::Device {
>          &self.0
>      }
>  }
> +
> +/// A platform device ID specifier.
> +///
> +/// This type is used for selecting the kind of device ID to use when constructing a new
> +/// [`ModuleDevice`].
> +#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
> +pub enum ModuleDeviceId {
> +    /// Do not use a device ID with a device.
> +    None,
> +    /// Automatically allocate a device ID for a device.
> +    Auto,
> +    /// Explicitly specify a device ID for a device.
> +    Explicit(i32),
> +}
> +
> +impl ModuleDeviceId {
> +    fn as_raw(self) -> Result<i32> {
> +        match self {
> +            ModuleDeviceId::Explicit(id) => {
> +                if matches!(
> +                    id,
> +                    bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE | bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO
> +                ) {
> +                    Err(EINVAL)
> +                } else {
> +                    Ok(id)
> +                }
> +            }
> +            ModuleDeviceId::None => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE),
> +            ModuleDeviceId::Auto => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO),
> +        }
> +    }
> +}
> +
> +/// A platform device that was created by a module.

Again, no, sorry.

If you want a virtual device, make a virtual device.  Ideally using the
auxbus api, but if you REALLY want a "raw" struct device, wonderful,
create that and register it with the driver core which will throw it
under /sys/devices/virtual/ which is where it belongs.

But I don't think you want that, what you want is all the power of a
real bus, but none of the hassle, which is why people abuse the platform
device code so much.  And why I complain about it so much.

So, sorry, I am not going to allow the abuse of the platform device code
to carry over into rust drivers if I can possibly help it.  Make a real
bus.  Or a raw device.  Or use the busses you have today (again,
auxbus), but do NOT abuse platform devices for things they are not.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Danilo Krummrich]

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:23:08AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> > implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> > system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> > instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> > same manner as any other kernel device.
> > 
> > This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> > type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> > devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> > registration of the device.
> 
> Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
> devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
> firmware somehow.
> 
> The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
> /sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
> something new?

I think we briefly discussed this in another mail thread [1] for the example of
the vKMS driver [2] in the past.

In [1] you mentioned that with the virtual device API, things are a bit
inconvenient and that you want to follow up on this.

I can't speak for Lyude, but I assume that she would also be willing to help
out getting to a better solution than what drivers like vKMS currently do and
then have a Rust abstraction for that, but your previous reply didn't indicate
there's already one ready to grab.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/2024071106-handed-oversleep-2377@gregkh/
[2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/vkms/vkms_drv.c

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 11:21:28AM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:23:08AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> > > implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> > > system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> > > instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> > > same manner as any other kernel device.
> > > 
> > > This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> > > type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> > > devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> > > registration of the device.
> > 
> > Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
> > devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
> > firmware somehow.
> > 
> > The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
> > /sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
> > something new?
> 
> I think we briefly discussed this in another mail thread [1] for the example of
> the vKMS driver [2] in the past.
> 
> In [1] you mentioned that with the virtual device API, things are a bit
> inconvenient and that you want to follow up on this.

And my intern ended up doing other things last summer and never got to
this, sorry.  I've not had the time either.  Let me try to get to it
next week, but no promises...

But that doesn't excuse the abuse of platform devices, that's not ok,
and I'm not going to want to take this change at all, sorry.

Again, if anything, we should be using LESS platform devices in the
kernel, not more.  And especially never using them for devices like this
that are NOT a platform device at all.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Lyude Paul]

On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 07:23 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> > implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> > system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> > instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> > same manner as any other kernel device.
> > 
> > This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> > type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> > devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> > registration of the device.
> 
> Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
> devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
> firmware somehow.
> 
> The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
> /sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
> something new?

Honestly I never even knew this was a thing! Taking a closer look though I can
see why - unless I'm missing something it feels like /sys/devices/virtual is
pretty much the only indication this exists (and lots of examples of platform
devices being used for this purpose: vkms, vgem, virmidi, etc.). The actual
platform bus documentation doesn't even really suggest it exists, it mostly
just discourages legacy style device probing and doesn't really provide an
alternative / warning that "platform devices should be real".

That being said though I'm more then happy to add something for virtual
devices, looking at drivers/gpu/drm/display/drm_dp_aux_dev.c this doesn't seem
too difficult to write bindings for. I'm also happy to amend the platform
device documentation to mention this, and maybe add a document describing the
process for creating virtual devices that we can link back to in the platform
documentation as the recommended alternative to abusing platform devices. This
misunderstanding seems to happen often enough in the kernel I'd expect that to
be the best spot to mention it.

> 
> And modules are code, not data.  Let's not start to even attempt to tie
> lifetimes of device structures to module code, that way lies madness and
> rolls back the work we did decades ago to split the two apart :)

To make sure I'm understanding you properly, by "are code not data" you're
suggesting that resources (devices, driver registrations, etc.) should have
their lifetime entirely managed by the kernel and not as part of the module
data structure correct?

If so - I do agree! I actually tried to reduce tying resources to the module
as much as possible, previously everything (device, sysfs resources for the
device, etc.) were all explicit resources managed by the module. Obviously if
we can do better then that (and it sounds like we can) I'm happy to. I do want
to make sure I'm not misunderstanding something here though, because looking
at the way this works in drm_dp_aux_dev.c the process seems to be like this:

(excuse me if some terminology is wrong, it has been ages since I looked at
this portion of the kernel)

 * Create a device class (in this case, drm_dp_aux_dev), this gives us a home
   in /sys/devices/virtual using class_create(). The device class appears to
   be tied to the lifetime of the module declared in
   drivers/gpu/drm/display/drm_display_helper_mod.c
 * Create a char dev using register_chrdev() with major = 0, which gives us a
   dynamically allocated major device number to use
 * Actual device creation is handled by DRM devices calling
   drm_dp_aux_dev_alloc(), using the DRM device as the parent device

Resulting in the device class and chrdev being tied to the lifetime of the
drm_display_helper module, and the aux devices being tied to the lifetime of
their respective DRM parent devices.

Since we don't have another device to rely on as a parent though, we'd need to
use the kernel parent device that you mentioned. That's fine, but unless
there's some way to annotate the module so the kernel knows we need a device
created then that still implies creating a struct that destroys the device on
drop. In other words, the lifetime of the device is still tied to the module
except with extra steps.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree using virtual devices seems better then
using platform devices here! It's just I'm not sure where you're seeing the
lifetime distinction here with virtual devices vs. platform devices. Any kind
of resource you allocate in rust code is going to have a structure that
represents its lifetime, unless something else creates the resource for us -
e.g. a PCI device being created by the kernel as the result of a bus being
probed. Is there something like that we could take advantage of here, some
sort of module annotation maybe?

Some more comments below:

> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > Co-authored-by: Maíra Canal <mairacanal@riseup.net>
> > ---
> >  rust/kernel/platform.rs | 96 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> >  1 file changed, 94 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/rust/kernel/platform.rs b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> > index 75dc7824eccf4..b5d38bb182e93 100644
> > --- a/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> > +++ b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> > @@ -13,8 +13,11 @@
> >      types::{ARef, ForeignOwnable, Opaque},
> >      ThisModule,
> >  };
> > -
> > -use core::ptr::{NonNull, addr_of_mut};
> > +use core::{
> > +    mem::ManuallyDrop,
> > +    ops::*,
> > +    ptr::{addr_of_mut, NonNull},
> > +};
> >  
> >  /// An adapter for the registration of platform drivers.
> >  pub struct Adapter<T: Driver>(T);
> > @@ -213,3 +216,92 @@ fn as_ref(&self) -> &device::Device {
> >          &self.0
> >      }
> >  }
> > +
> > +/// A platform device ID specifier.
> > +///
> > +/// This type is used for selecting the kind of device ID to use when constructing a new
> > +/// [`ModuleDevice`].
> > +#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
> > +pub enum ModuleDeviceId {
> > +    /// Do not use a device ID with a device.
> > +    None,
> > +    /// Automatically allocate a device ID for a device.
> > +    Auto,
> > +    /// Explicitly specify a device ID for a device.
> > +    Explicit(i32),
> > +}
> > +
> > +impl ModuleDeviceId {
> > +    fn as_raw(self) -> Result<i32> {
> > +        match self {
> > +            ModuleDeviceId::Explicit(id) => {
> > +                if matches!(
> > +                    id,
> > +                    bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE | bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO
> > +                ) {
> > +                    Err(EINVAL)
> > +                } else {
> > +                    Ok(id)
> > +                }
> > +            }
> > +            ModuleDeviceId::None => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE),
> > +            ModuleDeviceId::Auto => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO),
> > +        }
> > +    }
> > +}
> > +
> > +/// A platform device that was created by a module.
> 
> Again, no, sorry.
> 
> If you want a virtual device, make a virtual device.  Ideally using the
> auxbus api, but if you REALLY want a "raw" struct device, wonderful,
> create that and register it with the driver core which will throw it
> under /sys/devices/virtual/ which is where it belongs.
> 
> But I don't think you want that, what you want is all the power of a
> real bus, but none of the hassle, which is why people abuse the platform
> device code so much.  And why I complain about it so much.

Keeping in mind this is a virtual device and there is no conceivable bus, what
exactly are you asking for here? Just that we register a virtual bus with the
kernel and then simulate an event to say our virtual device has been plugged
into it? That would be fine with me if you have examples.

> 
> So, sorry, I am not going to allow the abuse of the platform device code
> to carry over into rust drivers if I can possibly help it.  Make a real
> bus.  Or a raw device.  Or use the busses you have today (again,
> auxbus), but do NOT abuse platform devices for things they are not.

Just a heads up: you're not going to get an argument on this now or ever ;).
I'm not interested in abusing APIs or the easiest solution, being a kernel
maintainer myself I'm pretty intimately familiar with how quickly technical
debt from that stacks up and makes things difficult for everyone - so I'm
always more interested in a correct solution then a lazy one.

But the correct solution in a codebase as large as the kernel with as many
incorrect historical examples as the kernel has is not always obvious, and
just like I'm doing now I am relying on feedback from people like yourself to
know if I'm going in the wrong direction. I wouldn't be happy with any kind of
interface in rust that uses core kernel APIs wrong, it goes against the whole
purpose of us codifying all of this in rust in the first place.

So, I'm saying this just to emphasize I'm more then happy to work with you and
everyone here to make sure we get this right the first time, and I'm even
happy to amend documentation/write examples/etc. to make your job easier so
you don't have to point this out to people all the time. The whole benefit of
RFL should be making correct solutions more obvious to any kernel developer so
we can get a future where you don't have to spend as much time preventing API
abuse. But until then, don't be surprised if every now and then a suggestion
of "this alternative would be better" is needed :). This is uncharted
territory for me but I'm always happy to listen to reason.

> 
> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h
> 

-- 
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Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Danilo Krummrich]

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 03:17:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 11:21:28AM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:23:08AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> > > > implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> > > > system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> > > > instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> > > > same manner as any other kernel device.
> > > > 
> > > > This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> > > > type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> > > > devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> > > > registration of the device.
> > > 
> > > Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
> > > devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
> > > firmware somehow.
> > > 
> > > The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
> > > /sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
> > > something new?
> > 
> > I think we briefly discussed this in another mail thread [1] for the example of
> > the vKMS driver [2] in the past.
> > 
> > In [1] you mentioned that with the virtual device API, things are a bit
> > inconvenient and that you want to follow up on this.
> 
> And my intern ended up doing other things last summer and never got to
> this, sorry.  I've not had the time either.  Let me try to get to it
> next week, but no promises...
> 
> But that doesn't excuse the abuse of platform devices, that's not ok,
> and I'm not going to want to take this change at all, sorry.

It does not, indeed. That's not what I wanted to imply.

I brought it up to see if there has been any progress already that can be built
upon.

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Danilo Krummrich]

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 07:23 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > 
> > And modules are code, not data.  Let's not start to even attempt to tie
> > lifetimes of device structures to module code, that way lies madness and
> > rolls back the work we did decades ago to split the two apart :)
> 
> To make sure I'm understanding you properly, by "are code not data" you're
> suggesting that resources (devices, driver registrations, etc.) should have
> their lifetime entirely managed by the kernel and not as part of the module
> data structure correct?

I think that's two different things.

Driver registrations are bound to the module lifetime and in Rust, where we have
a structure that represents the module lifetime, driver registrations are part
of the module structure. That's fine.

Device are more of a concern here, since they ideally orginate from real
hardware and hence shouldn't be bound to a module lifetime.

I think a virtual device would need to be an exception though. What else, if not
the module should define its lifetime?

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Lyude Paul]

So digging further at this I can already tell that the example I found still
wasn't entirely what we want - while not mentioned in any documentation I can
find (correct me if I am wrong), work was done to make it possible to allow
classes to be specified in read-only memory - so I'll make sure that the
bindings we have for this in rust only allow this as well.

I'll also go ahead and add the missing mention of this in class_create(), and
look into writing the totally missing documentation for class_register() which
appears to be the most likely to be the correct way of doing this.

On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 19:33 -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 07:23 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > A number of kernel modules work with virtual devices, where being virtual
> > > implies that there's no physical device to actually be plugged into the
> > > system. Because of that, such modules need to be able to manually
> > > instantiate a kernel device themselves - which can then be probed in the
> > > same manner as any other kernel device.
> > > 
> > > This adds support for such a usecase by introducing another platform device
> > > type, ModuleDevice. This type is interchangeable with normal platform
> > > devices, with the one exception being that it controls the lifetime of the
> > > registration of the device.
> > 
> > Sorry, but a "virtual" device is NOT a platform device at all.  Platform
> > devices are things that are not on a real bus and are described by
> > firmware somehow.
> > 
> > The kernel has "virtual" devices today just fine, look at
> > /sys/devices/virtual/ so why not just use that api instead of making up
> > something new?
> 
> Honestly I never even knew this was a thing! Taking a closer look though I can
> see why - unless I'm missing something it feels like /sys/devices/virtual is
> pretty much the only indication this exists (and lots of examples of platform
> devices being used for this purpose: vkms, vgem, virmidi, etc.). The actual
> platform bus documentation doesn't even really suggest it exists, it mostly
> just discourages legacy style device probing and doesn't really provide an
> alternative / warning that "platform devices should be real".
> 
> That being said though I'm more then happy to add something for virtual
> devices, looking at drivers/gpu/drm/display/drm_dp_aux_dev.c this doesn't seem
> too difficult to write bindings for. I'm also happy to amend the platform
> device documentation to mention this, and maybe add a document describing the
> process for creating virtual devices that we can link back to in the platform
> documentation as the recommended alternative to abusing platform devices. This
> misunderstanding seems to happen often enough in the kernel I'd expect that to
> be the best spot to mention it.
> 
> > 
> > And modules are code, not data.  Let's not start to even attempt to tie
> > lifetimes of device structures to module code, that way lies madness and
> > rolls back the work we did decades ago to split the two apart :)
> 
> To make sure I'm understanding you properly, by "are code not data" you're
> suggesting that resources (devices, driver registrations, etc.) should have
> their lifetime entirely managed by the kernel and not as part of the module
> data structure correct?
> 
> If so - I do agree! I actually tried to reduce tying resources to the module
> as much as possible, previously everything (device, sysfs resources for the
> device, etc.) were all explicit resources managed by the module. Obviously if
> we can do better then that (and it sounds like we can) I'm happy to. I do want
> to make sure I'm not misunderstanding something here though, because looking
> at the way this works in drm_dp_aux_dev.c the process seems to be like this:
> 
> (excuse me if some terminology is wrong, it has been ages since I looked at
> this portion of the kernel)
> 
>  * Create a device class (in this case, drm_dp_aux_dev), this gives us a home
>    in /sys/devices/virtual using class_create(). The device class appears to
>    be tied to the lifetime of the module declared in
>    drivers/gpu/drm/display/drm_display_helper_mod.c
>  * Create a char dev using register_chrdev() with major = 0, which gives us a
>    dynamically allocated major device number to use
>  * Actual device creation is handled by DRM devices calling
>    drm_dp_aux_dev_alloc(), using the DRM device as the parent device
> 
> Resulting in the device class and chrdev being tied to the lifetime of the
> drm_display_helper module, and the aux devices being tied to the lifetime of
> their respective DRM parent devices.
> 
> Since we don't have another device to rely on as a parent though, we'd need to
> use the kernel parent device that you mentioned. That's fine, but unless
> there's some way to annotate the module so the kernel knows we need a device
> created then that still implies creating a struct that destroys the device on
> drop. In other words, the lifetime of the device is still tied to the module
> except with extra steps.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I totally agree using virtual devices seems better then
> using platform devices here! It's just I'm not sure where you're seeing the
> lifetime distinction here with virtual devices vs. platform devices. Any kind
> of resource you allocate in rust code is going to have a structure that
> represents its lifetime, unless something else creates the resource for us -
> e.g. a PCI device being created by the kernel as the result of a bus being
> probed. Is there something like that we could take advantage of here, some
> sort of module annotation maybe?
> 
> Some more comments below:
> 
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > > Co-authored-by: Maíra Canal <mairacanal@riseup.net>
> > > ---
> > >  rust/kernel/platform.rs | 96 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > >  1 file changed, 94 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/rust/kernel/platform.rs b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> > > index 75dc7824eccf4..b5d38bb182e93 100644
> > > --- a/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> > > +++ b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> > > @@ -13,8 +13,11 @@
> > >      types::{ARef, ForeignOwnable, Opaque},
> > >      ThisModule,
> > >  };
> > > -
> > > -use core::ptr::{NonNull, addr_of_mut};
> > > +use core::{
> > > +    mem::ManuallyDrop,
> > > +    ops::*,
> > > +    ptr::{addr_of_mut, NonNull},
> > > +};
> > >  
> > >  /// An adapter for the registration of platform drivers.
> > >  pub struct Adapter<T: Driver>(T);
> > > @@ -213,3 +216,92 @@ fn as_ref(&self) -> &device::Device {
> > >          &self.0
> > >      }
> > >  }
> > > +
> > > +/// A platform device ID specifier.
> > > +///
> > > +/// This type is used for selecting the kind of device ID to use when constructing a new
> > > +/// [`ModuleDevice`].
> > > +#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
> > > +pub enum ModuleDeviceId {
> > > +    /// Do not use a device ID with a device.
> > > +    None,
> > > +    /// Automatically allocate a device ID for a device.
> > > +    Auto,
> > > +    /// Explicitly specify a device ID for a device.
> > > +    Explicit(i32),
> > > +}
> > > +
> > > +impl ModuleDeviceId {
> > > +    fn as_raw(self) -> Result<i32> {
> > > +        match self {
> > > +            ModuleDeviceId::Explicit(id) => {
> > > +                if matches!(
> > > +                    id,
> > > +                    bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE | bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO
> > > +                ) {
> > > +                    Err(EINVAL)
> > > +                } else {
> > > +                    Ok(id)
> > > +                }
> > > +            }
> > > +            ModuleDeviceId::None => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_NONE),
> > > +            ModuleDeviceId::Auto => Ok(bindings::PLATFORM_DEVID_AUTO),
> > > +        }
> > > +    }
> > > +}
> > > +
> > > +/// A platform device that was created by a module.
> > 
> > Again, no, sorry.
> > 
> > If you want a virtual device, make a virtual device.  Ideally using the
> > auxbus api, but if you REALLY want a "raw" struct device, wonderful,
> > create that and register it with the driver core which will throw it
> > under /sys/devices/virtual/ which is where it belongs.
> > 
> > But I don't think you want that, what you want is all the power of a
> > real bus, but none of the hassle, which is why people abuse the platform
> > device code so much.  And why I complain about it so much.
> 
> Keeping in mind this is a virtual device and there is no conceivable bus, what
> exactly are you asking for here? Just that we register a virtual bus with the
> kernel and then simulate an event to say our virtual device has been plugged
> into it? That would be fine with me if you have examples.
> 
> > 
> > So, sorry, I am not going to allow the abuse of the platform device code
> > to carry over into rust drivers if I can possibly help it.  Make a real
> > bus.  Or a raw device.  Or use the busses you have today (again,
> > auxbus), but do NOT abuse platform devices for things they are not.
> 
> Just a heads up: you're not going to get an argument on this now or ever ;).
> I'm not interested in abusing APIs or the easiest solution, being a kernel
> maintainer myself I'm pretty intimately familiar with how quickly technical
> debt from that stacks up and makes things difficult for everyone - so I'm
> always more interested in a correct solution then a lazy one.
> 
> But the correct solution in a codebase as large as the kernel with as many
> incorrect historical examples as the kernel has is not always obvious, and
> just like I'm doing now I am relying on feedback from people like yourself to
> know if I'm going in the wrong direction. I wouldn't be happy with any kind of
> interface in rust that uses core kernel APIs wrong, it goes against the whole
> purpose of us codifying all of this in rust in the first place.
> 
> So, I'm saying this just to emphasize I'm more then happy to work with you and
> everyone here to make sure we get this right the first time, and I'm even
> happy to amend documentation/write examples/etc. to make your job easier so
> you don't have to point this out to people all the time. The whole benefit of
> RFL should be making correct solutions more obvious to any kernel developer so
> we can get a future where you don't have to spend as much time preventing API
> abuse. But until then, don't be surprised if every now and then a suggestion
> of "this alternative would be better" is needed :). This is uncharted
> territory for me but I'm always happy to listen to reason.
> 
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > greg k-h
> > 
> 

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Re: [PATCH 1/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::Device::from_raw()

[Alice Ryhl]

On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 12:54 AM Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Just a convenience method to convert from a raw struct platform_device
> pointer into a platform::Device object, which we'll be using in the next
> commit.
>
> Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> ---
>  rust/kernel/platform.rs | 17 ++++++++++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 16 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/rust/kernel/platform.rs b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> index 50e6b04218132..75dc7824eccf4 100644
> --- a/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> +++ b/rust/kernel/platform.rs
> @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
>      ThisModule,
>  };
>
> -use core::ptr::addr_of_mut;
> +use core::ptr::{NonNull, addr_of_mut};
>
>  /// An adapter for the registration of platform drivers.
>  pub struct Adapter<T: Driver>(T);
> @@ -186,6 +186,21 @@ unsafe fn from_dev(dev: ARef<device::Device>) -> Self {
>          Self(dev)
>      }
>
> +    /// Convert a raw pointer to a `struct platform_device` into a `Device`.
> +    ///
> +    /// # Safety
> +    ///
> +    /// * `pdev` must be a valid pointer to a `bindings::platform_device`.
> +    /// * The caller must be guaranteed to hold at least one reference to `pdev`.

I would probably say that the caller must *transfer ownership* of one
refcount or something like that.

Alice

[PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Lyude Paul]

As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.

To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().

Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>

---

So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
this API.
---
 drivers/base/core.c    | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 include/linux/device.h |  2 ++
 2 files changed, 30 insertions(+)

diff --git a/drivers/base/core.c b/drivers/base/core.c
index 5a1f051981149..050e644ba11d5 100644
--- a/drivers/base/core.c
+++ b/drivers/base/core.c
@@ -4390,6 +4390,34 @@ struct device *device_create(const struct class *class, struct device *parent,
 }
 EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(device_create);
 
+/**
+ * virtual_device_create - creates a virtual device and registers it with sysfs
+ * @class: optional pointer to a struct class this device should be registered to
+ * @drvdata: the data to be added to the device for the callbacks
+ * @fmt: string for the device's name
+ *
+ * This function can be used to create standalone virtual devices, optionally
+ * registered to a specific class. Drivers which create virtual devices can use
+ * this. The device will live in /sys/devices/virtual.
+ *
+ * A pointer to the struct device will be returned from the call. Any further
+ * sysfs files that might be required can be created using this pointer.
+ *
+ * Returns &struct device pointer on success or ERR_PTR() on error.
+ */
+struct device *virtual_device_create(void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...)
+{
+	va_list vargs;
+	struct device *dev;
+
+	va_start(vargs, fmt);
+	dev = device_create_groups_vargs(NULL, NULL, 0, drvdata, NULL,
+					 fmt, vargs);
+	va_end(vargs);
+	return dev;
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_create);
+
 /**
  * device_create_with_groups - creates a device and registers it with sysfs
  * @class: pointer to the struct class that this device should be registered to
diff --git a/include/linux/device.h b/include/linux/device.h
index 80a5b32689866..74e07ec942f4e 100644
--- a/include/linux/device.h
+++ b/include/linux/device.h
@@ -1244,6 +1244,8 @@ bool device_is_bound(struct device *dev);
 __printf(5, 6) struct device *
 device_create(const struct class *cls, struct device *parent, dev_t devt,
 	      void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...);
+__printf(2, 3) struct device *
+virtual_device_create(void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...);
 __printf(6, 7) struct device *
 device_create_with_groups(const struct class *cls, struct device *parent, dev_t devt,
 			  void *drvdata, const struct attribute_group **groups,

base-commit: b323d8e7bc03d27dec646bfdccb7d1a92411f189
-- 
2.47.1

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Lyude Paul]

(FWIW: after posting this I realized I will need to split this API up a bit
more anyway so that we can also do init/register in separate steps, since I
realized rust will need this so we can store a reference to the device like we
allow for normal device probes)

On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 16:28 -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> 
> To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> 
> ---
> 
> So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> this API.
> ---
>  drivers/base/core.c    | 28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  include/linux/device.h |  2 ++
>  2 files changed, 30 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/base/core.c b/drivers/base/core.c
> index 5a1f051981149..050e644ba11d5 100644
> --- a/drivers/base/core.c
> +++ b/drivers/base/core.c
> @@ -4390,6 +4390,34 @@ struct device *device_create(const struct class *class, struct device *parent,
>  }
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(device_create);
>  
> +/**
> + * virtual_device_create - creates a virtual device and registers it with sysfs
> + * @class: optional pointer to a struct class this device should be registered to
> + * @drvdata: the data to be added to the device for the callbacks
> + * @fmt: string for the device's name
> + *
> + * This function can be used to create standalone virtual devices, optionally
> + * registered to a specific class. Drivers which create virtual devices can use
> + * this. The device will live in /sys/devices/virtual.
> + *
> + * A pointer to the struct device will be returned from the call. Any further
> + * sysfs files that might be required can be created using this pointer.
> + *
> + * Returns &struct device pointer on success or ERR_PTR() on error.
> + */
> +struct device *virtual_device_create(void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...)
> +{
> +	va_list vargs;
> +	struct device *dev;
> +
> +	va_start(vargs, fmt);
> +	dev = device_create_groups_vargs(NULL, NULL, 0, drvdata, NULL,
> +					 fmt, vargs);
> +	va_end(vargs);
> +	return dev;
> +}
> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_create);
> +
>  /**
>   * device_create_with_groups - creates a device and registers it with sysfs
>   * @class: pointer to the struct class that this device should be registered to
> diff --git a/include/linux/device.h b/include/linux/device.h
> index 80a5b32689866..74e07ec942f4e 100644
> --- a/include/linux/device.h
> +++ b/include/linux/device.h
> @@ -1244,6 +1244,8 @@ bool device_is_bound(struct device *dev);
>  __printf(5, 6) struct device *
>  device_create(const struct class *cls, struct device *parent, dev_t devt,
>  	      void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...);
> +__printf(2, 3) struct device *
> +virtual_device_create(void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...);
>  __printf(6, 7) struct device *
>  device_create_with_groups(const struct class *cls, struct device *parent, dev_t devt,
>  			  void *drvdata, const struct attribute_group **groups,
> 
> base-commit: b323d8e7bc03d27dec646bfdccb7d1a92411f189

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Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[kernel test robot]

Hi Lyude,

kernel test robot noticed the following build warnings:



url:    https://github.com/intel-lab-lkp/linux/commits/UPDATE-20250131-052936/Lyude-Paul/rust-kernel-Add-platform-Device-from_raw/20250123-075718
base:   the 2th patch of https://lore.kernel.org/r/20250122235340.2145383-3-lyude%40redhat.com
patch link:    https://lore.kernel.org/r/20250130212843.659437-1-lyude%40redhat.com
patch subject: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()
config: arc-randconfig-001-20250131 (https://download.01.org/0day-ci/archive/20250131/202501311112.BDhClMYs-lkp@intel.com/config)
compiler: arceb-elf-gcc (GCC) 13.2.0
reproduce (this is a W=1 build): (https://download.01.org/0day-ci/archive/20250131/202501311112.BDhClMYs-lkp@intel.com/reproduce)

If you fix the issue in a separate patch/commit (i.e. not just a new version of
the same patch/commit), kindly add following tags
| Reported-by: kernel test robot <lkp@intel.com>
| Closes: https://lore.kernel.org/oe-kbuild-all/202501311112.BDhClMYs-lkp@intel.com/

All warnings (new ones prefixed by >>):

>> drivers/base/core.c:4409: warning: Excess function parameter 'class' description in 'virtual_device_create'


vim +4409 drivers/base/core.c

  4392	
  4393	/**
  4394	 * virtual_device_create - creates a virtual device and registers it with sysfs
  4395	 * @class: optional pointer to a struct class this device should be registered to
  4396	 * @drvdata: the data to be added to the device for the callbacks
  4397	 * @fmt: string for the device's name
  4398	 *
  4399	 * This function can be used to create standalone virtual devices, optionally
  4400	 * registered to a specific class. Drivers which create virtual devices can use
  4401	 * this. The device will live in /sys/devices/virtual.
  4402	 *
  4403	 * A pointer to the struct device will be returned from the call. Any further
  4404	 * sysfs files that might be required can be created using this pointer.
  4405	 *
  4406	 * Returns &struct device pointer on success or ERR_PTR() on error.
  4407	 */
  4408	struct device *virtual_device_create(void *drvdata, const char *fmt, ...)
> 4409	{
  4410		va_list vargs;
  4411		struct device *dev;
  4412	
  4413		va_start(vargs, fmt);
  4414		dev = device_create_groups_vargs(NULL, NULL, 0, drvdata, NULL,
  4415						 fmt, vargs);
  4416		va_end(vargs);
  4417		return dev;
  4418	}
  4419	EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_create);
  4420	

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Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> 
> To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> 
> ---
> 
> So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> this API.

This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
to knock something a bit nicer together...

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Andy Shevchenko]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> 
> To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> 
> ---
> 
> So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> this API.

So, if it goes anywhere, please be sure that:
1) it's implemented in a separate *.c and *.h;
2) it won't abuse header inclusions and add into dependency hell;
3) it's documented.

Additionally would be nice to have one user to be converted to see how it may
be done in practice.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > 
> > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > this API.
> 
> This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> to knock something a bit nicer together...

Ok, here's a rough first-cut.  It builds, and boots, and I've converted
a driver to use the api to prove it works here.  I'll add a bunch more
documentation before turning it into a "real" patch, but this should
give you something to work off of.

I've run out of time for tonight (dinner is calling), but I think you
get the idea, right?  If you want to knock up a rust binding for this
api, it should almost be identical to the platform api you were trying
to use before, right?

thanks,

greg k-h

diff --git a/drivers/base/Makefile b/drivers/base/Makefile
index 7fb21768ca36..13eec7a1a9db 100644
--- a/drivers/base/Makefile
+++ b/drivers/base/Makefile
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ obj-y			:= component.o core.o bus.o dd.o syscore.o \
 			   cpu.o firmware.o init.o map.o devres.o \
 			   attribute_container.o transport_class.o \
 			   topology.o container.o property.o cacheinfo.o \
-			   swnode.o
+			   swnode.o virtual.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_AUXILIARY_BUS) += auxiliary.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_DEVTMPFS)	+= devtmpfs.o
 obj-y			+= power/
diff --git a/drivers/base/base.h b/drivers/base/base.h
index 8cf04a557bdb..1eb68e416ee1 100644
--- a/drivers/base/base.h
+++ b/drivers/base/base.h
@@ -137,6 +137,7 @@ int hypervisor_init(void);
 static inline int hypervisor_init(void) { return 0; }
 #endif
 int platform_bus_init(void);
+int virtual_bus_init(void);
 void cpu_dev_init(void);
 void container_dev_init(void);
 #ifdef CONFIG_AUXILIARY_BUS
diff --git a/drivers/base/init.c b/drivers/base/init.c
index c4954835128c..58c98a156220 100644
--- a/drivers/base/init.c
+++ b/drivers/base/init.c
@@ -35,6 +35,7 @@ void __init driver_init(void)
 	of_core_init();
 	platform_bus_init();
 	auxiliary_bus_init();
+	virtual_bus_init();
 	memory_dev_init();
 	node_dev_init();
 	cpu_dev_init();
diff --git a/drivers/base/virtual.c b/drivers/base/virtual.c
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..6ade5dcbe2f3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/drivers/base/virtual.c
@@ -0,0 +1,200 @@
+// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only */
+/*
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 Linux Foundation
+ */
+#include <linux/device/virtual.h>
+#include <linux/err.h>
+#include <linux/init.h>
+#include <linux/slab.h>
+#include <linux/string.h>
+#include "base.h"
+
+/*
+ * Wrapper structure so we can hold the memory
+ * for the name string of the virtual device.
+ */
+struct virtual_object {
+	struct virtual_device virt_dev;
+	char name[];
+};
+
+static struct device virtual_bus = {
+	.init_name	= "virt_bus",
+};
+
+static int virtual_match(struct device *dev, const struct device_driver *drv)
+{
+	const struct virtual_driver *virt_drv = to_virtual_driver(drv);
+	const struct virtual_device *virt_dev = to_virtual_device(dev);
+
+	pr_info("%s: %s %s\n", __func__, virt_dev->name, virt_drv->name);
+
+	/* Match is simple, strcmp()! */
+	return (strcmp(virt_dev->name, virt_drv->name) == 0);
+}
+
+static int virtual_probe(struct device *dev)
+{
+	struct virtual_driver *virt_drv = to_virtual_driver(dev->driver);
+	struct virtual_device *virt_dev = to_virtual_device(dev);
+	int ret = 0;
+
+	if (virt_drv->probe)
+		ret = virt_drv->probe(virt_dev);
+
+	return ret;
+}
+
+static void virtual_remove(struct device *dev)
+{
+	struct virtual_driver *virt_drv = to_virtual_driver(dev->driver);
+	struct virtual_device *virt_dev = to_virtual_device(dev);
+
+	if (virt_drv->remove)
+		virt_drv->remove(virt_dev);
+}
+
+static const struct bus_type virtual_bus_type = {
+	.name		= "virtual",
+	.match		= virtual_match,
+	.probe		= virtual_probe,
+	.remove		= virtual_remove,
+};
+
+static void virtual_device_release(struct device *dev)
+{
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = container_of(dev, struct virtual_object, virt_dev.dev);
+
+	kfree(virt_obj);
+}
+
+/**
+ * virtual_device_alloc - create a virtual device
+ * @name: name of the device we're adding
+ *
+ * Create a virtual device object which will be bound to any driver of the same name.
+ */
+struct virtual_device *virtual_device_alloc(const char *name)
+{
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj;
+	struct virtual_device *virt_dev;
+
+	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, name);
+
+	virt_obj = kzalloc(sizeof(*virt_obj) + strlen(name) + 1, GFP_KERNEL);
+	if (!virt_obj)
+		return NULL;
+
+	strcpy(virt_obj->name, name);
+	virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
+	virt_dev->name = virt_obj->name;
+	device_initialize(&virt_dev->dev);
+	virt_dev->dev.release = virtual_device_release;
+
+	return virt_dev;
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_alloc);
+
+int virtual_device_add(struct virtual_device *virt_dev)
+{
+	struct device *dev = &virt_dev->dev;
+
+	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, virt_dev->name);
+
+	if (!dev->parent)
+		dev->parent = &virtual_bus;
+
+	dev_set_name(dev, "%s", virt_dev->name);
+	dev->bus = &virtual_bus_type;
+
+	return device_add(dev);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_add);
+
+/**
+ * virtual_device_del - remove a virtual device
+ * @virt_dev: virtual device to be removed
+ *
+ * This function must _only_ be externally called in error cases.  All other usage is a bug.
+ */
+void virtual_device_del(struct virtual_device *virt_dev)
+{
+	if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(virt_dev))
+	    return;
+
+	device_del(&virt_dev->dev);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_del);
+
+/**
+ * virtual_device_put - destroy a platform device
+ * @virtual: virtual device to free
+ *
+ * Free all memory associated with a virtual device.  This function must
+ * _only_ be externally called in error cases.  All other usage is a bug.
+ */
+void virtual_device_put(struct virtual_device *virt_dev)
+{
+	if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(virt_dev))
+	    return;
+
+	put_device(&virt_dev->dev);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_put);
+
+
+void virtual_device_unregister(struct virtual_device *virt_dev)
+{
+	virtual_device_del(virt_dev);
+	virtual_device_put(virt_dev);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_unregister);
+
+
+/**
+ * __virtual_driver_register - register a driver for virtual devices
+ * @virt_drv: virtual driver structure
+ * @owner: owning module/driver
+ */
+int __virtual_driver_register(struct virtual_driver *virt_drv, struct module *owner)
+{
+	struct device_driver *drv = &virt_drv->driver;
+
+	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, virt_drv->name);
+
+	drv->owner = owner;
+	drv->name = virt_drv->name;
+	drv->bus = &virtual_bus_type;
+	drv->probe_type = PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS;
+
+	return driver_register(&virt_drv->driver);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(__virtual_driver_register);
+
+/**
+ * virtual_driver_unregister - unregister a driver for virtual devices
+ * @drv: virtual driver structure
+ */
+void virtual_driver_unregister(struct virtual_driver *virt_drv)
+{
+	driver_unregister(&virt_drv->driver);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_driver_unregister);
+
+int __init virtual_bus_init(void)
+{
+	int error;
+
+	error = device_register(&virtual_bus);
+	if (error) {
+		put_device(&virtual_bus);
+		return error;
+	}
+
+	error =  bus_register(&virtual_bus_type);
+	if (error)
+		device_unregister(&virtual_bus);
+
+	return error;
+}
diff --git a/drivers/regulator/dummy.c b/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
index 5b9b9e4e762d..652250455c6d 100644
--- a/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
+++ b/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
@@ -13,7 +13,7 @@
 
 #include <linux/err.h>
 #include <linux/export.h>
-#include <linux/platform_device.h>
+#include <linux/device/virtual.h>
 #include <linux/regulator/driver.h>
 #include <linux/regulator/machine.h>
 
@@ -37,15 +37,15 @@ static const struct regulator_desc dummy_desc = {
 	.ops = &dummy_ops,
 };
 
-static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
+static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct virtual_device *vdev)
 {
 	struct regulator_config config = { };
 	int ret;
 
-	config.dev = &pdev->dev;
+	config.dev = &vdev->dev;
 	config.init_data = &dummy_initdata;
 
-	dummy_regulator_rdev = devm_regulator_register(&pdev->dev, &dummy_desc,
+	dummy_regulator_rdev = devm_regulator_register(&vdev->dev, &dummy_desc,
 						       &config);
 	if (IS_ERR(dummy_regulator_rdev)) {
 		ret = PTR_ERR(dummy_regulator_rdev);
@@ -56,36 +56,33 @@ static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
 	return 0;
 }
 
-static struct platform_driver dummy_regulator_driver = {
+static struct virtual_driver dummy_regulator_driver = {
+	.name		= "reg-dummy",
 	.probe		= dummy_regulator_probe,
-	.driver		= {
-		.name		= "reg-dummy",
-		.probe_type	= PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS,
-	},
 };
 
-static struct platform_device *dummy_pdev;
+static struct virtual_device *dummy_vdev;
 
 void __init regulator_dummy_init(void)
 {
 	int ret;
 
-	dummy_pdev = platform_device_alloc("reg-dummy", -1);
-	if (!dummy_pdev) {
+	dummy_vdev = virtual_device_alloc("reg-dummy");
+	if (!dummy_vdev) {
 		pr_err("Failed to allocate dummy regulator device\n");
 		return;
 	}
 
-	ret = platform_device_add(dummy_pdev);
+	ret = virtual_device_add(dummy_vdev);
 	if (ret != 0) {
 		pr_err("Failed to register dummy regulator device: %d\n", ret);
-		platform_device_put(dummy_pdev);
+		virtual_device_put(dummy_vdev);
 		return;
 	}
 
-	ret = platform_driver_register(&dummy_regulator_driver);
+	ret = virtual_driver_register(&dummy_regulator_driver);
 	if (ret != 0) {
 		pr_err("Failed to register dummy regulator driver: %d\n", ret);
-		platform_device_unregister(dummy_pdev);
+		virtual_device_unregister(dummy_vdev);
 	}
 }
diff --git a/include/linux/device/virtual.h b/include/linux/device/virtual.h
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..b646defe4a97
--- /dev/null
+++ b/include/linux/device/virtual.h
@@ -0,0 +1,35 @@
+/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only */
+/*
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 Linux Foundation
+ */
+#ifndef _VIRTUAL_DEVICE_H
+#define _VIRTUAL_DEVICE_H_
+
+#include <linux/device.h>
+struct virtual_device {
+	struct device dev;
+	const char *name;
+
+};
+#define to_virtual_device(x) container_of_const((x), struct virtual_device, dev)
+
+struct virtual_driver {
+	struct device_driver driver;
+	const char *name;
+	int (*probe)(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+	void (*remove)(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+};
+#define to_virtual_driver(drv)	(container_of_const((drv), struct virtual_driver, driver))
+
+struct virtual_device *virtual_device_alloc(const char *name);
+int virtual_device_add(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+void virtual_device_del(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+void virtual_device_put(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+void virtual_device_unregister(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+
+#define virtual_driver_register(drv) __virtual_driver_register(drv, THIS_MODULE)
+int __virtual_driver_register(struct virtual_driver *virt_drv, struct module *module);
+void virtual_driver_unregister(struct virtual_driver *virt_drv);
+
+#endif /* _VIRTUAL_DEVICE_H_ */
-- 
2.48.1

Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice

[Simona Vetter]

On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:02:38PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 07:23 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > 
> > > And modules are code, not data.  Let's not start to even attempt to tie
> > > lifetimes of device structures to module code, that way lies madness and
> > > rolls back the work we did decades ago to split the two apart :)
> > 
> > To make sure I'm understanding you properly, by "are code not data" you're
> > suggesting that resources (devices, driver registrations, etc.) should have
> > their lifetime entirely managed by the kernel and not as part of the module
> > data structure correct?
> 
> I think that's two different things.
> 
> Driver registrations are bound to the module lifetime and in Rust, where we have
> a structure that represents the module lifetime, driver registrations are part
> of the module structure. That's fine.
> 
> Device are more of a concern here, since they ideally orginate from real
> hardware and hence shouldn't be bound to a module lifetime.
> 
> I think a virtual device would need to be an exception though. What else, if not
> the module should define its lifetime?

Yeah for virtual devices this should be possible I think. We do have plans
for vkms to gain configfs support, and then maybe the current device
wouldn't be needed anymore and we'd just register the configfs when
loading the module.
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Simona Vetter]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > 
> > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > this API.
> 
> This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> to knock something a bit nicer together...

Yeah I think a really simple api for creating virtual devices would be
nice. We've definitely been abusing platform devices for that purpose too,
and I had no idea virtual devices even exist :-/
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Danilo Krummrich]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 05:40:01PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > > 
> > > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > > this API.
> > 
> > This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> > to knock something a bit nicer together...
> 
> Ok, here's a rough first-cut.  It builds, and boots, and I've converted
> a driver to use the api to prove it works here.  I'll add a bunch more
> documentation before turning it into a "real" patch, but this should
> give you something to work off of.
> 
> I've run out of time for tonight (dinner is calling), but I think you
> get the idea, right?  If you want to knock up a rust binding for this
> api, it should almost be identical to the platform api you were trying
> to use before, right?

Yes, additionally, since this can't use the existing platform abstractions any
more, we need the bus abstraction for the virtual bus, i.e. the corresponding
driver::RegistrationOps implementation, module_virtual_driver macro, etc. Should
be a little less than 200 lines of code.

Other than in C, in Rust we don't need the "artificial" match between a virtual
device and a virtual driver to have automatic cleanup through things like
devm_kzalloc().

But I guess we want it for consistency and to have the corresponding sysfs
entries and uevents. OOC, are there any other reasons?

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 05:40:01PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > > > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > > > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > > > 
> > > > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > > > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > > > 
> > > > ---
> > > > 
> > > > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > > > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > > > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > > > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > > > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > > > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > > > this API.
> > > 
> > > This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> > > to knock something a bit nicer together...
> > 
> > Ok, here's a rough first-cut.  It builds, and boots, and I've converted
> > a driver to use the api to prove it works here.  I'll add a bunch more
> > documentation before turning it into a "real" patch, but this should
> > give you something to work off of.
> > 
> > I've run out of time for tonight (dinner is calling), but I think you
> > get the idea, right?  If you want to knock up a rust binding for this
> > api, it should almost be identical to the platform api you were trying
> > to use before, right?
> 
> Yes, additionally, since this can't use the existing platform abstractions any
> more, we need the bus abstraction for the virtual bus, i.e. the corresponding
> driver::RegistrationOps implementation, module_virtual_driver macro, etc. Should
> be a little less than 200 lines of code.

I hope so as the original C code for this is less than 200 lines of code :)

I wonder what it would look like to do a "real" bus in rust, maybe I'll
try that someday, but for now, I want this to be used by C code...

> Other than in C, in Rust we don't need the "artificial" match between a virtual
> device and a virtual driver to have automatic cleanup through things like
> devm_kzalloc().

What artificial match?  Ah, you mean they would both be in the same
"object"?

> But I guess we want it for consistency and to have the corresponding sysfs
> entries and uevents. OOC, are there any other reasons?

I don't really understand the objection here.  Oooh, you want the C code
to both create/manage the driver AND the device at the same time?  Hey I
like that, it would make the interface to it even simpler!  Let me go
try that, and see if it is what you are thinking of here...

thanks!

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:58:50PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> (FWIW: after posting this I realized I will need to split this API up a bit
> more anyway so that we can also do init/register in separate steps, since I
> realized rust will need this so we can store a reference to the device like we
> allow for normal device probes)

Do you always need to do init/register in 2 steps in rust code?  Or can
you do it all in a single call?  I'd prefer a single one just to make
the interface simpler overall, but if you all can't do that, I can keep
it in two, just seems wasteful.

thanks,

greg k-h

[RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 09:00:00AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 05:40:01PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > > > > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > > > > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > > > > 
> > > > > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > > > > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > > > > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > > > > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > > > > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > > > > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > > > > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > > > > this API.
> > > > 
> > > > This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> > > > to knock something a bit nicer together...
> > > 
> > > Ok, here's a rough first-cut.  It builds, and boots, and I've converted
> > > a driver to use the api to prove it works here.  I'll add a bunch more
> > > documentation before turning it into a "real" patch, but this should
> > > give you something to work off of.
> > > 
> > > I've run out of time for tonight (dinner is calling), but I think you
> > > get the idea, right?  If you want to knock up a rust binding for this
> > > api, it should almost be identical to the platform api you were trying
> > > to use before, right?
> > 
> > Yes, additionally, since this can't use the existing platform abstractions any
> > more, we need the bus abstraction for the virtual bus, i.e. the corresponding
> > driver::RegistrationOps implementation, module_virtual_driver macro, etc. Should
> > be a little less than 200 lines of code.
> 
> I hope so as the original C code for this is less than 200 lines of code :)
> 
> I wonder what it would look like to do a "real" bus in rust, maybe I'll
> try that someday, but for now, I want this to be used by C code...
> 
> > Other than in C, in Rust we don't need the "artificial" match between a virtual
> > device and a virtual driver to have automatic cleanup through things like
> > devm_kzalloc().
> 
> What artificial match?  Ah, you mean they would both be in the same
> "object"?
> 
> > But I guess we want it for consistency and to have the corresponding sysfs
> > entries and uevents. OOC, are there any other reasons?
> 
> I don't really understand the objection here.  Oooh, you want the C code
> to both create/manage the driver AND the device at the same time?  Hey I
> like that, it would make the interface to it even simpler!  Let me go
> try that, and see if it is what you are thinking of here...

Ok, here is a "simpler" version of the last patch in this series.  It
provides only 2 functions, a create and destroy.  Is this ok from a
rust-binding-point-of-view, or do you need more intermediate steps (and
if so, why?)

In my limited testing here, it works, but I haven't tested the destroy
paths to verify it yet, and there's still some debugging prints in here,
but it should give you all a good idea of what I'm thinking of.

comments?

thanks,

greg k-h

----------------


From 4c7aa0f9f0f7d25c962b70a11bad48d418b9490a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:01:32 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple
 device/bus is needed

Many drivers abuse the platform driver/bus system as it provides a
simple way to create and bind a device to a driver-specific set of
probe/release functions.  Instead of doing that, and wasting all of the
memory associated with a platform device, here is a "virtual" bus that
can be used instead.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
---
 drivers/base/Makefile          |   2 +-
 drivers/base/base.h            |   1 +
 drivers/base/init.c            |   1 +
 drivers/base/virtual.c         | 196 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 drivers/regulator/dummy.c      |  35 ++----
 include/linux/device/virtual.h |  32 ++++++
 6 files changed, 239 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)
 create mode 100644 drivers/base/virtual.c
 create mode 100644 include/linux/device/virtual.h

diff --git a/drivers/base/Makefile b/drivers/base/Makefile
index 7fb21768ca36..13eec7a1a9db 100644
--- a/drivers/base/Makefile
+++ b/drivers/base/Makefile
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ obj-y			:= component.o core.o bus.o dd.o syscore.o \
 			   cpu.o firmware.o init.o map.o devres.o \
 			   attribute_container.o transport_class.o \
 			   topology.o container.o property.o cacheinfo.o \
-			   swnode.o
+			   swnode.o virtual.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_AUXILIARY_BUS) += auxiliary.o
 obj-$(CONFIG_DEVTMPFS)	+= devtmpfs.o
 obj-y			+= power/
diff --git a/drivers/base/base.h b/drivers/base/base.h
index 8cf04a557bdb..1eb68e416ee1 100644
--- a/drivers/base/base.h
+++ b/drivers/base/base.h
@@ -137,6 +137,7 @@ int hypervisor_init(void);
 static inline int hypervisor_init(void) { return 0; }
 #endif
 int platform_bus_init(void);
+int virtual_bus_init(void);
 void cpu_dev_init(void);
 void container_dev_init(void);
 #ifdef CONFIG_AUXILIARY_BUS
diff --git a/drivers/base/init.c b/drivers/base/init.c
index c4954835128c..58c98a156220 100644
--- a/drivers/base/init.c
+++ b/drivers/base/init.c
@@ -35,6 +35,7 @@ void __init driver_init(void)
 	of_core_init();
 	platform_bus_init();
 	auxiliary_bus_init();
+	virtual_bus_init();
 	memory_dev_init();
 	node_dev_init();
 	cpu_dev_init();
diff --git a/drivers/base/virtual.c b/drivers/base/virtual.c
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..b05db4618d5c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/drivers/base/virtual.c
@@ -0,0 +1,196 @@
+// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only */
+/*
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 The Linux Foundation
+ *
+ * A "simple" virtual bus that allows devices to be created and added
+ * automatically to it.  Whenever you need a device that is not "real",
+ * use this interface instead of even thinking of using a platform device.
+ *
+ */
+#include <linux/device/virtual.h>
+#include <linux/err.h>
+#include <linux/init.h>
+#include <linux/slab.h>
+#include <linux/string.h>
+#include "base.h"
+
+/*
+ * Internal rapper structure so we can hold the memory
+ * for the driver and the name string of the virtual device.
+ */
+struct virtual_object {
+	struct virtual_device virt_dev;
+	struct device_driver driver;
+	const struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops;
+	char name[];
+};
+#define to_virtual_object(x) container_of_const(dev, struct virtual_object, virt_dev.dev);
+
+static struct device virtual_bus = {
+	.init_name	= "virt_bus",
+};
+
+static int virtual_match(struct device *dev, const struct device_driver *drv)
+{
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
+
+	dev_info(dev, "%s: driver: %s\n", __func__, drv->name);
+
+	/* Match is simple, strcmp()! */
+	return (strcmp(virt_obj->name, drv->name) == 0);
+}
+
+static int virtual_probe(struct device *dev)
+{
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
+	struct virtual_device *virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
+	const struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops = virt_obj->virt_ops;
+	int ret = 0;
+
+	dev_info(dev, "%s\n", __func__);
+
+	if (virt_ops->probe)
+		ret = virt_ops->probe(virt_dev);
+
+	return ret;
+}
+
+static void virtual_remove(struct device *dev)
+{
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
+	struct virtual_device *virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
+	const struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops = virt_obj->virt_ops;
+
+	dev_info(dev, "%s\n", __func__);
+
+	if (virt_ops->remove)
+		virt_ops->remove(virt_dev);
+}
+
+static const struct bus_type virtual_bus_type = {
+	.name		= "virtual",
+	.match		= virtual_match,
+	.probe		= virtual_probe,
+	.remove		= virtual_remove,
+};
+
+static void virtual_device_release(struct device *dev)
+{
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
+	struct device_driver *drv = &virt_obj->driver;
+
+	/*
+	 * Now that the device is going away, it has been unbound from the
+	 * driver we created for it, so it is safe to unregister the driver from
+	 * the system.
+	 */
+	driver_unregister(drv);
+
+	kfree(virt_obj);
+}
+
+/**
+ * __virtual_device_create - create and register a virtual device and driver
+ * @virt_ops: struct virtual_driver_ops that the new device will call back into
+ * @name: name of the device and driver we are adding
+ * @owner: module owner of the device/driver
+ *
+ * Create a new virtual device and driver, both with the same name, and register
+ * them in the driver core properly.  The probe() callback of @virt_ops will be
+ * called with the new device that is created for the caller to do something
+ * with.
+ */
+struct virtual_device *__virtual_device_create(struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops,
+					       const char *name, struct module *owner)
+{
+	struct device_driver *drv;
+	struct device *dev;
+	struct virtual_object *virt_obj;
+	struct virtual_device *virt_dev;
+	int ret;
+
+	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, name);
+
+	virt_obj = kzalloc(sizeof(*virt_obj) + strlen(name) + 1, GFP_KERNEL);
+	if (!virt_obj)
+		return NULL;
+
+	/* Save off the name of the object into local memory */
+	strcpy(virt_obj->name, name);
+
+	/* Initialize the driver portion and register it with the driver core */
+	virt_obj->virt_ops = virt_ops;
+	drv = &virt_obj->driver;
+
+	drv->owner = owner;
+	drv->name = virt_obj->name;
+	drv->bus = &virtual_bus_type;
+	drv->probe_type = PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS;
+
+	ret = driver_register(drv);
+	if (ret) {
+		pr_err("%s: driver_register for %s virtual driver failed with %d\n",
+		       __func__, name, ret);
+		kfree(virt_obj);
+		return NULL;
+	}
+
+	/* Initialize the device portion and register it with the driver core */
+	virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
+	dev = &virt_dev->dev;
+
+	device_initialize(dev);
+	dev->release = virtual_device_release;
+	dev->parent = &virtual_bus;
+	dev->bus = &virtual_bus_type;
+	dev_set_name(dev, "%s", name);
+
+	ret = device_add(dev);
+	if (ret) {
+		pr_err("%s: device_add for %s virtual device failed with %d\n",
+		       __func__, name, ret);
+		put_device(dev);
+		return NULL;
+	}
+
+	return virt_dev;
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(__virtual_device_create);
+
+/**
+ * virtual_device_destroy - destroy a virtual device
+ * @virt_dev: virtual device to destroy
+ *
+ * Unregister and free all memory associated with a virtual device.
+ */
+void virtual_device_destroy(struct virtual_device *virt_dev)
+{
+	struct device *dev = &virt_dev->dev;
+
+	if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(virt_dev))
+		return;
+
+	device_del(dev);
+
+	/* The final put_device() will clean up the driver we created for this device. */
+	put_device(dev);
+}
+EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(virtual_device_destroy);
+
+int __init virtual_bus_init(void)
+{
+	int error;
+
+	error = device_register(&virtual_bus);
+	if (error) {
+		put_device(&virtual_bus);
+		return error;
+	}
+
+	error =  bus_register(&virtual_bus_type);
+	if (error)
+		device_unregister(&virtual_bus);
+
+	return error;
+}
diff --git a/drivers/regulator/dummy.c b/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
index 5b9b9e4e762d..875c36a66971 100644
--- a/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
+++ b/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
@@ -13,7 +13,7 @@
 
 #include <linux/err.h>
 #include <linux/export.h>
-#include <linux/platform_device.h>
+#include <linux/device/virtual.h>
 #include <linux/regulator/driver.h>
 #include <linux/regulator/machine.h>
 
@@ -37,15 +37,15 @@ static const struct regulator_desc dummy_desc = {
 	.ops = &dummy_ops,
 };
 
-static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
+static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct virtual_device *vdev)
 {
 	struct regulator_config config = { };
 	int ret;
 
-	config.dev = &pdev->dev;
+	config.dev = &vdev->dev;
 	config.init_data = &dummy_initdata;
 
-	dummy_regulator_rdev = devm_regulator_register(&pdev->dev, &dummy_desc,
+	dummy_regulator_rdev = devm_regulator_register(&vdev->dev, &dummy_desc,
 						       &config);
 	if (IS_ERR(dummy_regulator_rdev)) {
 		ret = PTR_ERR(dummy_regulator_rdev);
@@ -56,36 +56,17 @@ static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
 	return 0;
 }
 
-static struct platform_driver dummy_regulator_driver = {
+struct virtual_driver_ops dummy_regulator_driver = {
 	.probe		= dummy_regulator_probe,
-	.driver		= {
-		.name		= "reg-dummy",
-		.probe_type	= PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS,
-	},
 };
 
-static struct platform_device *dummy_pdev;
+static struct virtual_device *dummy_vdev;
 
 void __init regulator_dummy_init(void)
 {
-	int ret;
-
-	dummy_pdev = platform_device_alloc("reg-dummy", -1);
-	if (!dummy_pdev) {
+	dummy_vdev = virtual_device_create(&dummy_regulator_driver, "reg-dummy");
+	if (!dummy_vdev) {
 		pr_err("Failed to allocate dummy regulator device\n");
 		return;
 	}
-
-	ret = platform_device_add(dummy_pdev);
-	if (ret != 0) {
-		pr_err("Failed to register dummy regulator device: %d\n", ret);
-		platform_device_put(dummy_pdev);
-		return;
-	}
-
-	ret = platform_driver_register(&dummy_regulator_driver);
-	if (ret != 0) {
-		pr_err("Failed to register dummy regulator driver: %d\n", ret);
-		platform_device_unregister(dummy_pdev);
-	}
 }
diff --git a/include/linux/device/virtual.h b/include/linux/device/virtual.h
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..cfd1c6ab541d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/include/linux/device/virtual.h
@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only */
+/*
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
+ * Copyright (c) 2025 The Linux Foundation
+ *
+ * A "simple" virtual bus that allows devices to be created and added
+ * automatically to it.  Whenever you need a device that is not "real",
+ * use this interface instead of even thinking of using a platform device.
+ *
+ */
+#ifndef _VIRTUAL_DEVICE_H_
+#define _VIRTUAL_DEVICE_H_
+
+#include <linux/module.h>
+#include <linux/device.h>
+
+struct virtual_device {
+	struct device dev;
+};
+#define to_virtual_device(x) container_of_const((x), struct virtual_device, dev)
+
+struct virtual_driver_ops {
+	int (*probe)(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+	void (*remove)(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+};
+
+#define virtual_device_create(virt_ops, name) __virtual_device_create(virt_ops, name, THIS_MODULE)
+struct virtual_device *__virtual_device_create(struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops,
+					       const char *name, struct module *module);
+void virtual_device_destroy(struct virtual_device *virt_dev);
+
+#endif /* _VIRTUAL_DEVICE_H_ */
-- 
2.48.1

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Simona Vetter]

On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 09:00:00AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 05:40:01PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > > > > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > > > > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > > > > 
> > > > > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > > > > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > > > > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > > > > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > > > > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > > > > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > > > > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > > > > this API.
> > > > 
> > > > This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> > > > to knock something a bit nicer together...
> > > 
> > > Ok, here's a rough first-cut.  It builds, and boots, and I've converted
> > > a driver to use the api to prove it works here.  I'll add a bunch more
> > > documentation before turning it into a "real" patch, but this should
> > > give you something to work off of.
> > > 
> > > I've run out of time for tonight (dinner is calling), but I think you
> > > get the idea, right?  If you want to knock up a rust binding for this
> > > api, it should almost be identical to the platform api you were trying
> > > to use before, right?
> > 
> > Yes, additionally, since this can't use the existing platform abstractions any
> > more, we need the bus abstraction for the virtual bus, i.e. the corresponding
> > driver::RegistrationOps implementation, module_virtual_driver macro, etc. Should
> > be a little less than 200 lines of code.
> 
> I hope so as the original C code for this is less than 200 lines of code :)
> 
> I wonder what it would look like to do a "real" bus in rust, maybe I'll
> try that someday, but for now, I want this to be used by C code...
> 
> > Other than in C, in Rust we don't need the "artificial" match between a virtual
> > device and a virtual driver to have automatic cleanup through things like
> > devm_kzalloc().
> 
> What artificial match?  Ah, you mean they would both be in the same
> "object"?
> 
> > But I guess we want it for consistency and to have the corresponding sysfs
> > entries and uevents. OOC, are there any other reasons?
> 
> I don't really understand the objection here.  Oooh, you want the C code
> to both create/manage the driver AND the device at the same time?  Hey I
> like that, it would make the interface to it even simpler!  Let me go
> try that, and see if it is what you are thinking of here...

So at least in vkms we plan to allow instantiating more than one device,
with the same driver, so not sure we really want this. The idea is that
you can also validate the multi-gpu (or at least multi-display) code of
compositors with entirely fake hw in CI. It is a pretty common pattern
though for these virtual devices/drivers, but not universal I think.
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

Re: [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create()

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:45:37AM +0100, Simona Vetter wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 09:00:00AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 05:40:01PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 09:00:32AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > > > > As Greg KH pointed out, we have a nice /sys/devices/virtual directory free
> > > > > > for the taking - but the vast majority of device drivers concerned with
> > > > > > virtual devices do not use this and instead misuse the platform device API.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To fix this, let's start by adding a simple function that can be used for
> > > > > > creating virtual devices - virtual_device_create().
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, WIP obviously because I wrote this up in a few minutes - but this goes
> > > > > > off the idea that Danilo suggested to me off-list of coming up with a
> > > > > > simple API for handling virtual devices that's a little more obvious to
> > > > > > use. I wanted to get people's feedback and if we're happy with this idea,
> > > > > > I'm willing to go through and add some pointers to this function in various
> > > > > > platform API docs - along with porting over the C version of VKMS over to
> > > > > > this API.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is a big better, but not quite.  Let me carve out some time today
> > > > > to knock something a bit nicer together...
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, here's a rough first-cut.  It builds, and boots, and I've converted
> > > > a driver to use the api to prove it works here.  I'll add a bunch more
> > > > documentation before turning it into a "real" patch, but this should
> > > > give you something to work off of.
> > > > 
> > > > I've run out of time for tonight (dinner is calling), but I think you
> > > > get the idea, right?  If you want to knock up a rust binding for this
> > > > api, it should almost be identical to the platform api you were trying
> > > > to use before, right?
> > > 
> > > Yes, additionally, since this can't use the existing platform abstractions any
> > > more, we need the bus abstraction for the virtual bus, i.e. the corresponding
> > > driver::RegistrationOps implementation, module_virtual_driver macro, etc. Should
> > > be a little less than 200 lines of code.
> > 
> > I hope so as the original C code for this is less than 200 lines of code :)
> > 
> > I wonder what it would look like to do a "real" bus in rust, maybe I'll
> > try that someday, but for now, I want this to be used by C code...
> > 
> > > Other than in C, in Rust we don't need the "artificial" match between a virtual
> > > device and a virtual driver to have automatic cleanup through things like
> > > devm_kzalloc().
> > 
> > What artificial match?  Ah, you mean they would both be in the same
> > "object"?
> > 
> > > But I guess we want it for consistency and to have the corresponding sysfs
> > > entries and uevents. OOC, are there any other reasons?
> > 
> > I don't really understand the objection here.  Oooh, you want the C code
> > to both create/manage the driver AND the device at the same time?  Hey I
> > like that, it would make the interface to it even simpler!  Let me go
> > try that, and see if it is what you are thinking of here...
> 
> So at least in vkms we plan to allow instantiating more than one device,
> with the same driver, so not sure we really want this. The idea is that
> you can also validate the multi-gpu (or at least multi-display) code of
> compositors with entirely fake hw in CI. It is a pretty common pattern
> though for these virtual devices/drivers, but not universal I think.

See the patch I just posted, it creates internal drivers for every
device you create, so in reality, you don't need to worry about the
driver portion at all, just provide a probe/release callback if you want
to and you are good to go!

thanks,

greg "drivers for everyone!" k-h

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:39:58AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> --- a/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
> +++ b/drivers/regulator/dummy.c
> @@ -13,7 +13,7 @@
>  
>  #include <linux/err.h>
>  #include <linux/export.h>
> -#include <linux/platform_device.h>
> +#include <linux/device/virtual.h>
>  #include <linux/regulator/driver.h>
>  #include <linux/regulator/machine.h>
>  
> @@ -37,15 +37,15 @@ static const struct regulator_desc dummy_desc = {
>  	.ops = &dummy_ops,
>  };
>  
> -static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
> +static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct virtual_device *vdev)
>  {
>  	struct regulator_config config = { };
>  	int ret;
>  
> -	config.dev = &pdev->dev;
> +	config.dev = &vdev->dev;
>  	config.init_data = &dummy_initdata;
>  
> -	dummy_regulator_rdev = devm_regulator_register(&pdev->dev, &dummy_desc,
> +	dummy_regulator_rdev = devm_regulator_register(&vdev->dev, &dummy_desc,
>  						       &config);
>  	if (IS_ERR(dummy_regulator_rdev)) {
>  		ret = PTR_ERR(dummy_regulator_rdev);
> @@ -56,36 +56,17 @@ static int dummy_regulator_probe(struct platform_device *pdev)
>  	return 0;
>  }
>  
> -static struct platform_driver dummy_regulator_driver = {
> +struct virtual_driver_ops dummy_regulator_driver = {
>  	.probe		= dummy_regulator_probe,
> -	.driver		= {
> -		.name		= "reg-dummy",
> -		.probe_type	= PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS,
> -	},
>  };
>  
> -static struct platform_device *dummy_pdev;
> +static struct virtual_device *dummy_vdev;
>  
>  void __init regulator_dummy_init(void)
>  {
> -	int ret;
> -
> -	dummy_pdev = platform_device_alloc("reg-dummy", -1);
> -	if (!dummy_pdev) {
> +	dummy_vdev = virtual_device_create(&dummy_regulator_driver, "reg-dummy");
> +	if (!dummy_vdev) {

I originally was thinking that many platform_device_alloc() calls could
be replaced with this, but in looking further, I think we can get rid of
almost all calls to platform_device_register_simple() with this api
instead, including most of the use of that in the drm tree where all
that is being used is the device structure and not the platform one at
all.

I'll dig into that later today...

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Danilo Krummrich]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:39:58AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> From 4c7aa0f9f0f7d25c962b70a11bad48d418b9490a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:01:32 +0100
> Subject: [PATCH] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple
>  device/bus is needed
> 
> Many drivers abuse the platform driver/bus system as it provides a
> simple way to create and bind a device to a driver-specific set of
> probe/release functions.  Instead of doing that, and wasting all of the
> memory associated with a platform device, here is a "virtual" bus that
> can be used instead.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>

I think it turned out pretty nice combining the driver and device creation for
convenience.

But I think we may still need the option to create multiple devices for the same
driver, as mentioned by Sima.

@Sima: I wonder if the number of devices could just be an argument?

> ---
>  drivers/base/Makefile          |   2 +-
>  drivers/base/base.h            |   1 +
>  drivers/base/init.c            |   1 +
>  drivers/base/virtual.c         | 196 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  drivers/regulator/dummy.c      |  35 ++----
>  include/linux/device/virtual.h |  32 ++++++
>  6 files changed, 239 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 drivers/base/virtual.c
>  create mode 100644 include/linux/device/virtual.h
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/base/Makefile b/drivers/base/Makefile
> index 7fb21768ca36..13eec7a1a9db 100644
> --- a/drivers/base/Makefile
> +++ b/drivers/base/Makefile
> @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ obj-y			:= component.o core.o bus.o dd.o syscore.o \
>  			   cpu.o firmware.o init.o map.o devres.o \
>  			   attribute_container.o transport_class.o \
>  			   topology.o container.o property.o cacheinfo.o \
> -			   swnode.o
> +			   swnode.o virtual.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_AUXILIARY_BUS) += auxiliary.o
>  obj-$(CONFIG_DEVTMPFS)	+= devtmpfs.o
>  obj-y			+= power/
> diff --git a/drivers/base/base.h b/drivers/base/base.h
> index 8cf04a557bdb..1eb68e416ee1 100644
> --- a/drivers/base/base.h
> +++ b/drivers/base/base.h
> @@ -137,6 +137,7 @@ int hypervisor_init(void);
>  static inline int hypervisor_init(void) { return 0; }
>  #endif
>  int platform_bus_init(void);
> +int virtual_bus_init(void);
>  void cpu_dev_init(void);
>  void container_dev_init(void);
>  #ifdef CONFIG_AUXILIARY_BUS
> diff --git a/drivers/base/init.c b/drivers/base/init.c
> index c4954835128c..58c98a156220 100644
> --- a/drivers/base/init.c
> +++ b/drivers/base/init.c
> @@ -35,6 +35,7 @@ void __init driver_init(void)
>  	of_core_init();
>  	platform_bus_init();
>  	auxiliary_bus_init();
> +	virtual_bus_init();
>  	memory_dev_init();
>  	node_dev_init();
>  	cpu_dev_init();
> diff --git a/drivers/base/virtual.c b/drivers/base/virtual.c
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..b05db4618d5c
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/drivers/base/virtual.c
> @@ -0,0 +1,196 @@
> +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only */
> +/*
> + * Copyright (c) 2025 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> + * Copyright (c) 2025 The Linux Foundation
> + *
> + * A "simple" virtual bus that allows devices to be created and added
> + * automatically to it.  Whenever you need a device that is not "real",
> + * use this interface instead of even thinking of using a platform device.
> + *
> + */
> +#include <linux/device/virtual.h>
> +#include <linux/err.h>
> +#include <linux/init.h>
> +#include <linux/slab.h>
> +#include <linux/string.h>
> +#include "base.h"
> +
> +/*
> + * Internal rapper structure so we can hold the memory

I guess having an internal "rapper" does make the interface even cooler! :-)

> + * for the driver and the name string of the virtual device.
> + */
> +struct virtual_object {
> +	struct virtual_device virt_dev;
> +	struct device_driver driver;
> +	const struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops;
> +	char name[];
> +};
> +#define to_virtual_object(x) container_of_const(dev, struct virtual_object, virt_dev.dev);
> +
> +static struct device virtual_bus = {
> +	.init_name	= "virt_bus",
> +};
> +
> +static int virtual_match(struct device *dev, const struct device_driver *drv)
> +{
> +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
> +
> +	dev_info(dev, "%s: driver: %s\n", __func__, drv->name);
> +
> +	/* Match is simple, strcmp()! */
> +	return (strcmp(virt_obj->name, drv->name) == 0);
> +}
> +
> +static int virtual_probe(struct device *dev)
> +{
> +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
> +	struct virtual_device *virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
> +	const struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops = virt_obj->virt_ops;
> +	int ret = 0;
> +
> +	dev_info(dev, "%s\n", __func__);
> +
> +	if (virt_ops->probe)
> +		ret = virt_ops->probe(virt_dev);
> +
> +	return ret;
> +}
> +
> +static void virtual_remove(struct device *dev)
> +{
> +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
> +	struct virtual_device *virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
> +	const struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops = virt_obj->virt_ops;
> +
> +	dev_info(dev, "%s\n", __func__);
> +
> +	if (virt_ops->remove)
> +		virt_ops->remove(virt_dev);
> +}
> +
> +static const struct bus_type virtual_bus_type = {
> +	.name		= "virtual",
> +	.match		= virtual_match,
> +	.probe		= virtual_probe,
> +	.remove		= virtual_remove,
> +};
> +
> +static void virtual_device_release(struct device *dev)
> +{
> +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
> +	struct device_driver *drv = &virt_obj->driver;
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * Now that the device is going away, it has been unbound from the
> +	 * driver we created for it, so it is safe to unregister the driver from
> +	 * the system.
> +	 */
> +	driver_unregister(drv);

This is probably becoming non-trivial if we allow multiple devices to be created
for the driver.

> +
> +	kfree(virt_obj);
> +}
> +
> +/**
> + * __virtual_device_create - create and register a virtual device and driver
> + * @virt_ops: struct virtual_driver_ops that the new device will call back into
> + * @name: name of the device and driver we are adding
> + * @owner: module owner of the device/driver
> + *
> + * Create a new virtual device and driver, both with the same name, and register
> + * them in the driver core properly.  The probe() callback of @virt_ops will be
> + * called with the new device that is created for the caller to do something
> + * with.
> + */
> +struct virtual_device *__virtual_device_create(struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops,
> +					       const char *name, struct module *owner)
> +{
> +	struct device_driver *drv;
> +	struct device *dev;
> +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj;
> +	struct virtual_device *virt_dev;
> +	int ret;
> +
> +	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, name);
> +
> +	virt_obj = kzalloc(sizeof(*virt_obj) + strlen(name) + 1, GFP_KERNEL);
> +	if (!virt_obj)
> +		return NULL;
> +
> +	/* Save off the name of the object into local memory */
> +	strcpy(virt_obj->name, name);
> +
> +	/* Initialize the driver portion and register it with the driver core */
> +	virt_obj->virt_ops = virt_ops;

I wonder if it would make sense to allow NULL for virt_ops and use default ops
in this case.

This could be useful for the Rust side of things, since then we could probably
avoid having a virtual bus abstraction and instead would only need an
abstraction of __virtual_device_create() itself.

However, this is probalby only convenient for when we have a single device /
driver, but not multiple devices for a single driver.

The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...

> +	drv = &virt_obj->driver;
> +
> +	drv->owner = owner;
> +	drv->name = virt_obj->name;
> +	drv->bus = &virtual_bus_type;
> +	drv->probe_type = PROBE_PREFER_ASYNCHRONOUS;
> +
> +	ret = driver_register(drv);
> +	if (ret) {
> +		pr_err("%s: driver_register for %s virtual driver failed with %d\n",
> +		       __func__, name, ret);
> +		kfree(virt_obj);
> +		return NULL;
> +	}
> +
> +	/* Initialize the device portion and register it with the driver core */
> +	virt_dev = &virt_obj->virt_dev;
> +	dev = &virt_dev->dev;
> +
> +	device_initialize(dev);
> +	dev->release = virtual_device_release;
> +	dev->parent = &virtual_bus;
> +	dev->bus = &virtual_bus_type;
> +	dev_set_name(dev, "%s", name);
> +
> +	ret = device_add(dev);
> +	if (ret) {
> +		pr_err("%s: device_add for %s virtual device failed with %d\n",
> +		       __func__, name, ret);
> +		put_device(dev);
> +		return NULL;
> +	}
> +
> +	return virt_dev;
> +}
> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(__virtual_device_create);

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:01:04PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:39:58AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > From 4c7aa0f9f0f7d25c962b70a11bad48d418b9490a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:01:32 +0100
> > Subject: [PATCH] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple
> >  device/bus is needed
> > 
> > Many drivers abuse the platform driver/bus system as it provides a
> > simple way to create and bind a device to a driver-specific set of
> > probe/release functions.  Instead of doing that, and wasting all of the
> > memory associated with a platform device, here is a "virtual" bus that
> > can be used instead.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> 
> I think it turned out pretty nice combining the driver and device creation for
> convenience.
> 
> But I think we may still need the option to create multiple devices for the same
> driver, as mentioned by Sima.

That will work just fine, the api will allow that, just give each device
a unique name and you are good to go.

> @Sima: I wonder if the number of devices could just be an argument?

Then the virtual bus logic will have to create some sort of number/name
system and I don't want to do that.  It's a "first caller gets the name"
type thing here.  You can easily in a driver do this:

	my_dev_1 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_1");
	my_dev_2 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_2");
	my_dev_3 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_3");
	...

You share the same callbacks, and that's all you really care about.  If
you want to hang sysfs files off of these things, I can make them take a
device_groups pointer as well, but let's keep it simple first.

> > +/*
> > + * Internal rapper structure so we can hold the memory
> 
> I guess having an internal "rapper" does make the interface even cooler! :-)

Hah, I totally missed that.  Language is fun...

> > +static void virtual_device_release(struct device *dev)
> > +{
> > +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
> > +	struct device_driver *drv = &virt_obj->driver;
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Now that the device is going away, it has been unbound from the
> > +	 * driver we created for it, so it is safe to unregister the driver from
> > +	 * the system.
> > +	 */
> > +	driver_unregister(drv);
> 
> This is probably becoming non-trivial if we allow multiple devices to be created
> for the driver.

Nope, see above, the driver is created dynamically per device created,
but that has NOTHING to do with the caller of this api, this is all
internal housekeeping.

You will note that the caller knows nothing about a driver or anything
like that, all it does is provide some callbacks.

> > +/**
> > + * __virtual_device_create - create and register a virtual device and driver
> > + * @virt_ops: struct virtual_driver_ops that the new device will call back into
> > + * @name: name of the device and driver we are adding
> > + * @owner: module owner of the device/driver
> > + *
> > + * Create a new virtual device and driver, both with the same name, and register
> > + * them in the driver core properly.  The probe() callback of @virt_ops will be
> > + * called with the new device that is created for the caller to do something
> > + * with.
> > + */
> > +struct virtual_device *__virtual_device_create(struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops,
> > +					       const char *name, struct module *owner)
> > +{
> > +	struct device_driver *drv;
> > +	struct device *dev;
> > +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj;
> > +	struct virtual_device *virt_dev;
> > +	int ret;
> > +
> > +	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, name);
> > +
> > +	virt_obj = kzalloc(sizeof(*virt_obj) + strlen(name) + 1, GFP_KERNEL);
> > +	if (!virt_obj)
> > +		return NULL;
> > +
> > +	/* Save off the name of the object into local memory */
> > +	strcpy(virt_obj->name, name);
> > +
> > +	/* Initialize the driver portion and register it with the driver core */
> > +	virt_obj->virt_ops = virt_ops;
> 
> I wonder if it would make sense to allow NULL for virt_ops and use default ops
> in this case.

What would be a "default"?  If you don't care/want to do anything with
probe/remove, then yes, we can allow it to be set to NULL.

Actually looking at some of the places this can be replaced with, that
does make sense, I'll go make that change.

> This could be useful for the Rust side of things, since then we could probably
> avoid having a virtual bus abstraction and instead would only need an
> abstraction of __virtual_device_create() itself.

Ok.

> However, this is probalby only convenient for when we have a single device /
> driver, but not multiple devices for a single driver.

Again, see above, and stop worrying about the traditional "driver" model
here, I took that away from you :)

> The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
> probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...

No, I think it will work, let me do some replacements later today after
I get some other work done, I think it does make sense, don't doubt
yourself :)

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
> > probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...
> 
> No, I think it will work, let me do some replacements later today after
> I get some other work done, I think it does make sense, don't doubt
> yourself :)

New version is now at:
	https://lore.kernel.org/r/2025020324-thermal-quilt-1bae@gregkh

I've renamed it from "virtual" to "faux" as virtual can easily get
confused with virtio stuff, and we already have a /sys/devices/virtual/
that is for something else at the moment.

Let me know if there's anything I can change that would make a rust
binding simpler.

thanks,

greg k-h


> 
> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h
> 

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Simona Vetter]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 03:33:32PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
> > > probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...
> > 
> > No, I think it will work, let me do some replacements later today after
> > I get some other work done, I think it does make sense, don't doubt
> > yourself :)
> 
> New version is now at:
> 	https://lore.kernel.org/r/2025020324-thermal-quilt-1bae@gregkh
> 
> I've renamed it from "virtual" to "faux" as virtual can easily get
> confused with virtio stuff, and we already have a /sys/devices/virtual/
> that is for something else at the moment.
> 
> Let me know if there's anything I can change that would make a rust
> binding simpler.

I think this should work, for vkms we can prefix the names with "vkms-"
and then add whatever the user used as name in configfs (the instance
directory name or whatever it's called) and it should all work out. Unless
the user does something stupid, in which case it's not our problem.
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 04:32:36PM +0100, Simona Vetter wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 03:33:32PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
> > > > probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...
> > > 
> > > No, I think it will work, let me do some replacements later today after
> > > I get some other work done, I think it does make sense, don't doubt
> > > yourself :)
> > 
> > New version is now at:
> > 	https://lore.kernel.org/r/2025020324-thermal-quilt-1bae@gregkh
> > 
> > I've renamed it from "virtual" to "faux" as virtual can easily get
> > confused with virtio stuff, and we already have a /sys/devices/virtual/
> > that is for something else at the moment.
> > 
> > Let me know if there's anything I can change that would make a rust
> > binding simpler.
> 
> I think this should work, for vkms we can prefix the names with "vkms-"
> and then add whatever the user used as name in configfs (the instance
> directory name or whatever it's called) and it should all work out. Unless
> the user does something stupid, in which case it's not our problem.

Sounds good!

And now you just reinforced Andy's complaint about me not checking the
length of the string passed into the api, as it sounds you want to take
user-provided names here.  I'll go fix that up :)

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Danilo Krummrich]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:01:04PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:39:58AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > From 4c7aa0f9f0f7d25c962b70a11bad48d418b9490a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > > From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:01:32 +0100
> > > Subject: [PATCH] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple
> > >  device/bus is needed
> > > 
> > > Many drivers abuse the platform driver/bus system as it provides a
> > > simple way to create and bind a device to a driver-specific set of
> > > probe/release functions.  Instead of doing that, and wasting all of the
> > > memory associated with a platform device, here is a "virtual" bus that
> > > can be used instead.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> > 
> > I think it turned out pretty nice combining the driver and device creation for
> > convenience.
> > 
> > But I think we may still need the option to create multiple devices for the same
> > driver, as mentioned by Sima.
> 
> That will work just fine, the api will allow that, just give each device
> a unique name and you are good to go.
> 
> > @Sima: I wonder if the number of devices could just be an argument?
> 
> Then the virtual bus logic will have to create some sort of number/name
> system and I don't want to do that.  It's a "first caller gets the name"
> type thing here.  You can easily in a driver do this:
> 
> 	my_dev_1 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_1");
> 	my_dev_2 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_2");
> 	my_dev_3 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_3");
> 	...
> 
> You share the same callbacks, and that's all you really care about.  If
> you want to hang sysfs files off of these things, I can make them take a
> device_groups pointer as well, but let's keep it simple first.

Sure, that works perfectly. Just thought, we might not want to also create a new
struct driver for each device.

> 
> > > +/*
> > > + * Internal rapper structure so we can hold the memory
> > 
> > I guess having an internal "rapper" does make the interface even cooler! :-)
> 
> Hah, I totally missed that.  Language is fun...
> 
> > > +static void virtual_device_release(struct device *dev)
> > > +{
> > > +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj = to_virtual_object(dev);
> > > +	struct device_driver *drv = &virt_obj->driver;
> > > +
> > > +	/*
> > > +	 * Now that the device is going away, it has been unbound from the
> > > +	 * driver we created for it, so it is safe to unregister the driver from
> > > +	 * the system.
> > > +	 */
> > > +	driver_unregister(drv);
> > 
> > This is probably becoming non-trivial if we allow multiple devices to be created
> > for the driver.
> 
> Nope, see above, the driver is created dynamically per device created,
> but that has NOTHING to do with the caller of this api, this is all
> internal housekeeping.
> 
> You will note that the caller knows nothing about a driver or anything
> like that, all it does is provide some callbacks.

Should have said in case we allow multiple devices per driver, but as long as we
already create the full "virtual_object", that's fine for sure.

> 
> > > +/**
> > > + * __virtual_device_create - create and register a virtual device and driver
> > > + * @virt_ops: struct virtual_driver_ops that the new device will call back into
> > > + * @name: name of the device and driver we are adding
> > > + * @owner: module owner of the device/driver
> > > + *
> > > + * Create a new virtual device and driver, both with the same name, and register
> > > + * them in the driver core properly.  The probe() callback of @virt_ops will be
> > > + * called with the new device that is created for the caller to do something
> > > + * with.
> > > + */
> > > +struct virtual_device *__virtual_device_create(struct virtual_driver_ops *virt_ops,
> > > +					       const char *name, struct module *owner)
> > > +{
> > > +	struct device_driver *drv;
> > > +	struct device *dev;
> > > +	struct virtual_object *virt_obj;
> > > +	struct virtual_device *virt_dev;
> > > +	int ret;
> > > +
> > > +	pr_info("%s: %s\n", __func__, name);
> > > +
> > > +	virt_obj = kzalloc(sizeof(*virt_obj) + strlen(name) + 1, GFP_KERNEL);
> > > +	if (!virt_obj)
> > > +		return NULL;
> > > +
> > > +	/* Save off the name of the object into local memory */
> > > +	strcpy(virt_obj->name, name);
> > > +
> > > +	/* Initialize the driver portion and register it with the driver core */
> > > +	virt_obj->virt_ops = virt_ops;
> > 
> > I wonder if it would make sense to allow NULL for virt_ops and use default ops
> > in this case.
> 
> What would be a "default"?  If you don't care/want to do anything with
> probe/remove, then yes, we can allow it to be set to NULL.

Exactly that, no probe, no remove. With that we can avoid the full bus
abstraction in Rust.

> 
> Actually looking at some of the places this can be replaced with, that
> does make sense, I'll go make that change.
> 
> > This could be useful for the Rust side of things, since then we could probably
> > avoid having a virtual bus abstraction and instead would only need an
> > abstraction of __virtual_device_create() itself.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> > However, this is probalby only convenient for when we have a single device /
> > driver, but not multiple devices for a single driver.
> 
> Again, see above, and stop worrying about the traditional "driver" model
> here, I took that away from you :)
> 
> > The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
> > probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...
> 
> No, I think it will work, let me do some replacements later today after
> I get some other work done, I think it does make sense, don't doubt
> yourself :)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h

Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Lyude Paul]

On Mon, 2025-02-03 at 15:33 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > The more I think about it, the less I think it's a good idea, since it'd
> > > probably trick people into coming up with questionable constructs...
> > 
> > No, I think it will work, let me do some replacements later today after
> > I get some other work done, I think it does make sense, don't doubt
> > yourself :)
> 
> New version is now at:
> 	https://lore.kernel.org/r/2025020324-thermal-quilt-1bae@gregkh
> 
> I've renamed it from "virtual" to "faux" as virtual can easily get
> confused with virtio stuff, and we already have a /sys/devices/virtual/
> that is for something else at the moment.

+1 for the rename - if it was called virtual I'd need to call the rust
bindings something else, as unfortunately virtual is a unused reserved keyword
there so we can't use it for the module name :P

> 
> Let me know if there's anything I can change that would make a rust
> binding simpler.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h
> 
> 
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > greg k-h
> > 
> 

-- 
Cheers,
 Lyude Paul (she/her)
 Software Engineer at Red Hat

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Re: [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:13:08PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:25:23PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 12:01:04PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 10:39:58AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > From 4c7aa0f9f0f7d25c962b70a11bad48d418b9490a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > > > From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> > > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:01:32 +0100
> > > > Subject: [PATCH] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple
> > > >  device/bus is needed
> > > > 
> > > > Many drivers abuse the platform driver/bus system as it provides a
> > > > simple way to create and bind a device to a driver-specific set of
> > > > probe/release functions.  Instead of doing that, and wasting all of the
> > > > memory associated with a platform device, here is a "virtual" bus that
> > > > can be used instead.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> > > 
> > > I think it turned out pretty nice combining the driver and device creation for
> > > convenience.
> > > 
> > > But I think we may still need the option to create multiple devices for the same
> > > driver, as mentioned by Sima.
> > 
> > That will work just fine, the api will allow that, just give each device
> > a unique name and you are good to go.
> > 
> > > @Sima: I wonder if the number of devices could just be an argument?
> > 
> > Then the virtual bus logic will have to create some sort of number/name
> > system and I don't want to do that.  It's a "first caller gets the name"
> > type thing here.  You can easily in a driver do this:
> > 
> > 	my_dev_1 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_1");
> > 	my_dev_2 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_2");
> > 	my_dev_3 = virtual_device_create(&my_virt_ops, "my_dev_3");
> > 	...
> > 
> > You share the same callbacks, and that's all you really care about.  If
> > you want to hang sysfs files off of these things, I can make them take a
> > device_groups pointer as well, but let's keep it simple first.
> 
> Sure, that works perfectly. Just thought, we might not want to also create a new
> struct driver for each device.

Oooh, good catch, I can get rid of that now and just use a single
internal driver structure.  The "driver vs. device" shouldn't really
matter anymore as that's not the goal here.

I'll keep my v1 version of the virtual bus code here and rename it to
something else (simple?) as we do want tht for other platform devices
that need/want to have a real driver, but for this api for now, that's
not needed.

thanks,

greg k-h