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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
	aliceryhl@google.com, robin.murphy@arm.com,
	daniel.almeida@collabora.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>,
	"open list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Marek Szyprowski" <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com,
	"open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 2/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:02:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2025030721-synopsis-tubby-3b36@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z8stJXrDtA5tZB40@cassiopeiae>

On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 06:30:13PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 10:38:21AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> Devres puts the pci::Bar in a Revocable and sets up the devres callback. Once
> the devres callback is called the embedded pci::Bar is dropped, which calls
> pci_iounmap() and pci_release_region().
> 
> Subsequently, the access to the pci::Bar for the owner of the Devres<pci::Bar>
> object is revoked, since the pointer to the memory mapping within the pci::Bar
> just became invalid.
> 
> The latter is the only additional step the Rust abstraction does, in order to
> not leave drivers with an invalid pointer. However, this additional safety
> aspect is *not* a change of the driver model itself.

Correct, it's one that the C driver model code wishes it could have :)

Danilo is totally right here.  There's many things "wrong" with the
driver model that we have today when dealing with resources that can
span multiple reference counted devices.  It's always been that way,
heck the original coding style document warned about that very thing way
back in the early 2000's!  The rust code here is a step forward in
making those issues go away, which is a good thing, and should not be
chastised because somehow it doesn't solve _all_ of our problems.

Let's try this out for now.  If it doesn't work out, great, we'll fix it
and update the drivers and move on.  It's not like we haven't been doing
that for the past 30+ years now, nothing different here at all.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-07 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-24 11:49 [PATCH v12 0/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 11:49 ` [PATCH v12 1/3] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:11   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 11:49 ` [PATCH v12 2/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:21   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-24 16:27     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:30   ` QUENTIN BOYER
2025-02-24 16:30     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 14:40   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-02-24 16:27     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 22:35       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-02-28  8:35       ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-02-28 10:01         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 20:07   ` Benno Lossin
2025-02-24 21:40     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-24 23:12     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-03-03 13:00       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 13:13         ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-03 15:21           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 15:44             ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-03 18:45               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 19:00               ` Allow data races on some read/write operations Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-03 20:08                 ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-04 19:03                   ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-04 20:18                     ` comex
2025-03-05  3:24                       ` Boqun Feng
2025-03-05 13:10                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 13:23                           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-03-05 13:27                             ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 14:40                               ` Robin Murphy
2025-03-05 18:43                               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 19:30                                 ` Alan Stern
2025-03-05 19:42                                 ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 21:26                                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 21:53                                     ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-07  8:43                                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-18 14:44                                         ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-05 18:41                             ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 14:25                           ` Daniel Almeida
2025-03-05 18:38                           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-05 22:01                             ` Ralf Jung
2025-03-04  8:28           ` [PATCH v12 2/3] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-25  8:15     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-25  9:09       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-02-24 22:05   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-02-25  8:15     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-03 11:30   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-03-04  8:58     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-03-03 13:08   ` Robin Murphy
2025-03-05 17:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 13:37     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-06 15:21       ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 15:49         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-06 15:54         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-06 16:18           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06 16:34             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 10:20               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-06 16:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07  8:50           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 10:18             ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 12:48             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 13:16               ` Simona Vetter
2025-03-07 14:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 17:30                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 18:02                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2025-03-07 16:09               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-03-07 16:57                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-07 19:03                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-24 11:49 ` [PATCH v12 3/3] MAINTAINERS: add entry for Rust dma mapping helpers device driver API Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-24 13:10   ` Andreas Hindborg

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