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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Paweł Anikiel" <panikiel@google.com>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Matthew Maurer" <mmaurer@google.com>,
	"Ramon de C Valle" <rcvalle@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/Kconfig: make CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT depend on !RUST
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 14:51:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202504161442.66CE2596@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250416202040.GD38216@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 10:20:40PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 05:15:31PM +0200, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 4:00 PM Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I submitted a PR that I believe should fix it:
> > > https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/139632
> > 
> > This landed, scheduled for Rust 1.88 (2025-06-26) if all goes well.
> > 
> > Peter: are you OK with landing a patch like this? Well, modified to
> > look like this now that we know the version:
> > 
> >     depends on FINEIBT
> >     depends on !RUST || RUSTC_VERSION >= 108800
> > 
> > (assuming we confirm the nightly build works properly)
> 
> I don't much like it -- disabling FineIBT at config time like this also
> kills the CFI type rehash.

This isn't disabling CONFIG_FINEIBT (which gates cfi_rand), it's making
FineIBT not enabled by default at boot time. This is actually when I
created CONFIG_CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT: to be able to have kCFI _with_ type
rehashing still enabled.

> Not to mention that FineIBT is a Spectre-BHI
> mitigation, esp. with that arity thing on top.

That's certainly true, but the needed overlapping corner cases seem to
make this tolerable?

> I don't suppose we can simply mandate this rust version?

Perhaps capture the needed version in the Kconfig change at least, so it
becomes self-documenting.

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-16 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-10 11:54 [PATCH] x86/Kconfig: make CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT depend on !RUST Paweł Anikiel
2025-04-10 12:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 12:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:18       ` Paweł Anikiel
2025-04-10 13:20       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-10 13:21       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:27           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:54               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 14:05                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 14:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 15:04                       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-10 13:59               ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-10 14:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 14:54                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 15:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 18:01                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 15:02                   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-15 15:15                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-16 10:38                   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-16 20:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-16 21:51                     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2025-04-17  8:18                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-17 18:40                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-18  9:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-06 22:19                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-05-09  8:46                             ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-09  9:04                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-05-09  9:11                                 ` Paweł Anikiel
2025-05-09  9:39                                   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-09 16:34                                     ` Kees Cook
2025-05-09 19:33                                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:12     ` Paweł Anikiel
2025-04-10 13:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 15:45         ` [PATCH] objtool: Detect __nocfi calls Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 19:09           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-11  6:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 19:32           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 19:43           ` Sami Tolvanen
2025-04-11  6:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-12 12:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:50       ` [PATCH] x86/Kconfig: make CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT depend on !RUST Miguel Ojeda

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