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From: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Paweł Anikiel" <panikiel@google.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Josh Poimboeuf" <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Matthew Maurer" <mmaurer@google.com>,
	"Ramon de C Valle" <rcvalle@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/Kconfig: make CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT depend on !RUST
Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 09:34:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202505090933.9DA60728@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aB3NWUrtWMXOppYE@google.com>

On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 09:39:37AM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 11:11:48AM +0200, Paweł Anikiel wrote:
> > On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 11:04 AM Miguel Ojeda
> > <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 10:46 AM Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually ... I don't think putting it on CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT the right
> > > > approach.
> > > >
> > > > Shouldn't the depends on clause go on `config FINEIBT` instead? After
> > > > all, the current patch just means that you can't make FineIBT the
> > > > default option. But you can still pass kcfi=fineibt on boot to enble
> > > > FineIBT which would result in the same crash.
> > >
> > > I thought the intention was to avoid disabling FineIBT at config time:
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/202504161442.66CE2596@keescook/
> > 
> > I think you mean enabling FineIBT - yes, this patch does exactly that,
> > it's still possible to enable it by hand with cfi=
> > 
> > > If another approach is needed, then we can change it on top if that is
> > > OK (I am about to submit the PR).
> > 
> > Putting it on CONFIG_FINEIBT was my initial idea, but it turns out
> > that this creates a dependency cycle in Kconfig:
> > 
> > error: recursive dependency detected!
> >         symbol RUST depends on CALL_PADDING
> >         symbol CALL_PADDING is selected by FINEIBT
> >         symbol FINEIBT depends on RUST
> > 
> > Not sure if it's possible to make it work.
> 
> To fix that, we probably have to do one of:
> 
> Option 1: Upgrade the rustc MSRV past 1.81 and drop the depends on
>           CALL_PADDING.
> 
> Option 2: Split `config FINEIBT` into two options:
> 
> config HAVE_FINEIBT
> 	def_bool y
> 	depends on X86_KERNEL_IBT && CFI_CLANG && MITIGATION_RETPOLINE
> 	depends on !RUST || RUSTC_VERSION >= 108800
> 
> config FINEIBT
> 	bool "Accept cfi=fineibt option at boot"
> 	depends on HAVE_FINEIBT
> 	select CALL_PADDING

Right -- if you want to make FINEIBT unselectable, this will need some
plumbing. Right now, it's kind of tied in with the hash shuffling, so
it'll need more than just a Kconfig change to properly split it.

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-09 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-10 11:54 [PATCH] x86/Kconfig: make CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT depend on !RUST Paweł Anikiel
2025-04-10 12:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 12:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:18       ` Paweł Anikiel
2025-04-10 13:20       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-10 13:21       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:27           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:54               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 14:05                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 14:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 15:04                       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-10 13:59               ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-10 14:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 14:54                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 15:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 18:01                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 15:02                   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-15 15:15                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-16 10:38                   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-04-16 20:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-16 21:51                     ` Kees Cook
2025-04-17  8:18                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-17 18:40                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-18  9:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-06 22:19                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-05-09  8:46                             ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-09  9:04                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-05-09  9:11                                 ` Paweł Anikiel
2025-05-09  9:39                                   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-05-09 16:34                                     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2025-05-09 19:33                                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 13:12     ` Paweł Anikiel
2025-04-10 13:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 15:45         ` [PATCH] objtool: Detect __nocfi calls Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 19:09           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-04-11  6:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 19:32           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-04-10 19:43           ` Sami Tolvanen
2025-04-11  6:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-12 12:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-04-10 13:50       ` [PATCH] x86/Kconfig: make CFI_AUTO_DEFAULT depend on !RUST Miguel Ojeda

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