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From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Ben Segall" <bsegall@google.com>, "Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	"Caleb Sander Mateos" <csander@purestorage.com>,
	"Ryo Takakura" <ryotkkr98@gmail.com>,
	"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC RESEND v10 03/14] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 13:54:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250616175447.GA900755@joelnvbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <683721f1.050a0220.80421.29ff@mx.google.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 07:47:09AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 11:10:23AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 06:21:44PM -0400, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > Currently the nested interrupt disabling and enabling is present by
> > > _irqsave() and _irqrestore() APIs, which are relatively unsafe, for
> > > example:
> > > 
> > > 	<interrupts are enabled as beginning>
> > > 	spin_lock_irqsave(l1, flag1);
> > > 	spin_lock_irqsave(l2, flag2);
> > > 	spin_unlock_irqrestore(l1, flags1);
> > > 	<l2 is still held but interrupts are enabled>
> > > 	// accesses to interrupt-disable protect data will cause races.
> > > 
> > > This is even easier to triggered with guard facilities:
> > > 
> > > 	unsigned long flag2;
> > > 
> > > 	scoped_guard(spin_lock_irqsave, l1) {
> > > 		spin_lock_irqsave(l2, flag2);
> > > 	}
> > > 	// l2 locked but interrupts are enabled.
> > > 	spin_unlock_irqrestore(l2, flag2);
> > > 
> > > (Hand-to-hand locking critical sections are not uncommon for a
> > > fine-grained lock design)
> > > 
> > > And because this unsafety, Rust cannot easily wrap the
> > > interrupt-disabling locks in a safe API, which complicates the design.
> > > 
> > > To resolve this, introduce a new set of interrupt disabling APIs:
> > > 
> > > *	local_interrupt_disable();
> > > *	local_interrupt_enable();
> > > 
> > > They work like local_irq_save() and local_irq_restore() except that 1)
> > > the outermost local_interrupt_disable() call save the interrupt state
> > > into a percpu variable, so that the outermost local_interrupt_enable()
> > > can restore the state, and 2) a percpu counter is added to record the
> > > nest level of these calls, so that interrupts are not accidentally
> > > enabled inside the outermost critical section.
> > > 
> > > Also add the corresponding spin_lock primitives: spin_lock_irq_disable()
> > > and spin_unlock_irq_enable(), as a result, code as follow:
> > > 
> > > 	spin_lock_irq_disable(l1);
> > > 	spin_lock_irq_disable(l2);
> > > 	spin_unlock_irq_enable(l1);
> > > 	// Interrupts are still disabled.
> > > 	spin_unlock_irq_enable(l2);
> > > 
> > > doesn't have the issue that interrupts are accidentally enabled.
> > > 
> > > This also makes the wrapper of interrupt-disabling locks on Rust easier
> > > to design.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > V10:
> > > * Add missing __raw_spin_lock_irq_disable() definition in spinlock.c
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
> > 
> > Your SOB is placed wrong, should be below Boqun's. This way it gets
> > lost.
> > 
> > Also, is there effort planned to fully remove the save/restore variant?
> > As before, my main objection is adding variants with overlapping
> > functionality while not cleaning up the pre-existing code.
> > 
> 
> My plan is to map local_irq_disable() to local_interrupt_disable() and
> keep local_irq_save() as it is. That is, local_irq_disable() is the
> auto-pilot version and local_irq_save/restore() is the manual version.
> The reason is that I can see more "creative" (i.e. unpaired) usage of
> local_irq_save/restore(), and maybe someone would like to keep them.
> Thoughts?

My thought is it is better to keep them separate at first, let
local_interrupt_disable() stabilize with a few users, then convert the
callers (possibly with deprecation warnings with checkpatch), and then remove
the old API.

That appears lowest risk and easier transition.

thanks,

 - Joel


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-16 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-27 22:21 [RFC RESEND v10 00/14] Refcounted interrupts, SpinLockIrq for rust Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 01/14] preempt: Introduce HARDIRQ_DISABLE_BITS Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 02/14] preempt: Introduce __preempt_count_{sub, add}_return() Lyude Paul
2025-05-28  6:37   ` Heiko Carstens
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 03/14] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Lyude Paul
2025-05-28  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-28 14:03     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-28 14:47     ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-16 17:54       ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2025-06-16 18:02         ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-16 18:37           ` Joel Fernandes
2025-06-17 14:14             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-05-28 18:47     ` Lyude Paul
2025-06-16 18:10   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-06-16 18:16     ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-17 14:11   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-06-17 14:34     ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-17 15:11       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-06-17 14:25   ` Boqun Feng
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 04/14] rust: Introduce interrupt module Lyude Paul
2025-05-29  9:21   ` Benno Lossin
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 05/14] rust: helper: Add spin_{un,}lock_irq_{enable,disable}() helpers Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 06/14] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2025-06-16 19:51   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-07-16 20:29     ` Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 07/14] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 08/14] rust: sync: lock: Add `Backend::BackendInContext` Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 09/14] rust: sync: Add a lifetime parameter to lock::global::GlobalGuard Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 10/14] rust: sync: lock/global: Rename B to G in trait bounds Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 11/14] rust: sync: Expose lock::Backend Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 12/14] rust: sync: lock/global: Add Backend parameter to GlobalGuard Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 13/14] rust: sync: lock/global: Add BackendInContext support to GlobalLock Lyude Paul
2025-05-27 22:21 ` [RFC RESEND v10 14/14] locking: Switch to _irq_{disable,enable}() variants in cleanup guards Lyude Paul
2025-05-28  6:11   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-02 10:16 ` [RFC RESEND v10 00/14] Refcounted interrupts, SpinLockIrq for rust Benno Lossin

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