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From: "Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Cc: ojeda@kernel.org, alex.gaynor@gmail.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	gary@garyguo.net, lossin@kernel.org, a.hindborg@kernel.org,
	aliceryhl@google.com, tmgross@umich.edu, dakr@kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, will@kernel.org,
	longman@redhat.com, felipe_life@live.com, daniel@sedlak.dev,
	bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com, Lyude <thatslyude@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 16:53:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250724165351.509cff53@nimda.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250621184454.8354-1-work@onurozkan.dev>

Hi again,

Just finished going over the C-side use of `ww_mutex` today and I
wanted to share some notes and thoughts based on that.

To get the full context, you might want to take a look at this thread
[1].

- The first note I took is that we shouldn't allow locking without
`WwAcquireCtx` (which is currently possible in v5). As explained in
ww_mutex documentation [2], this basically turns it into a regular
mutex and you don't get benefits of `ww_mutex`.

 From what I have seen on the C side, there is no real use-case for
 this. It doesn't make much sense to use `ww_mutex` just for
 single-locking scenarios. Unless a specific use-case comes up, I think
 we shouldn't support using it that way. I am planning to move the
 `lock*` functions under `impl WwAcquireCtx` (as we discussed in [1]),
 which will make `WwAcquireCtx` required by design and also simplify
 the implementation a lot.

- The second note is about how EDEADLK is handled. On the C side, it
looks like some code paths may not release all the previously locked
mutexes or have a special/custom logic when locking returns EDEADLK
(see [3]). So, handling EDEADLK automatically (pointed
in [1]) can be quite useful for most cases, but that could also be a
limitation in certain scenarios.

 I was thinking we could provide an alternative version of each `lock*`
 function that accepts a closure which is called on the EDEADLK error.
 This way, we can support both auto-release locks and custom logic for
 handling EDEADLK scenarios.

 Something like this (just a dummy code for demonstration):

    ctx.lock_and_handle_edeadlk(|active_locks| {
        // user-defined handling here
    });


 That would let users handle the situation however they want if they
 need to.


Would love to hear your thoughts or suggestions on any of this.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/DATYHYJVPL3L.3NLMH7PPHYU9@kernel.org/#t
[2]:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/locking/ww-mutex-design.txt
[3]:
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/25fae0b93d1d7/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_modeset_lock.c#L326-L329

Regards,
Onur

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-24 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-21 18:44 [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] rust: add C wrappers for `ww_mutex` inline functions Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] implement ww_mutex abstraction for the Rust tree Onur Özkan
2025-06-22  9:18   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 13:04     ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 13:44       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 14:47         ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 15:14           ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 17:11             ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 23:22               ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24  5:34                 ` Onur
2025-06-24  8:20                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24 12:31                     ` Onur
2025-06-24 12:48                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:39             ` Onur
2025-07-07 15:31               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 18:06                 ` Onur
2025-07-07 19:48                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 14:21                     ` Onur
2025-08-01 21:22                     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 10:42                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-02 13:41                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-02 14:15                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 20:58                           ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 15:18                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05  9:08                           ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-05 12:41                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05 13:50                               ` Onur Özkan
2025-06-23 11:51   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-23 13:26   ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 18:17     ` Onur
2025-06-23 21:54       ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] add KUnit coverage on Rust `ww_mutex` implementation Onur Özkan
2025-06-22  9:16 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Benno Lossin
2025-07-24 13:53 ` Onur Özkan [this message]
2025-07-29 17:15   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-30 10:24     ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-30 10:55       ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 16:22   ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-05 17:56     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-06  5:57     ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-06 17:37       ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-06 19:30         ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-14 11:13           ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-14 12:38             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-14 15:56               ` Onur
2025-08-14 18:22                 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-18 12:56                   ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 10:05                     ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 12:28                       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-09-02 16:53                   ` Onur
2025-09-03  6:24                     ` Onur
2025-09-03 13:04                       ` Daniel Almeida

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