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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>
Cc: rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
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	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	"Ryo Takakura" <ryotkkr98@gmail.com>,
	"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 05/17] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 22:24:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251016222421.512ca8d1@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251013155205.2004838-6-lyude@redhat.com>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 11:48:07 -0400
Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> wrote:

> From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> 
> Currently the nested interrupt disabling and enabling is present by
> _irqsave() and _irqrestore() APIs, which are relatively unsafe, for
> example:
> 
> 	<interrupts are enabled as beginning>
> 	spin_lock_irqsave(l1, flag1);
> 	spin_lock_irqsave(l2, flag2);
> 	spin_unlock_irqrestore(l1, flags1);
> 	<l2 is still held but interrupts are enabled>
> 	// accesses to interrupt-disable protect data will cause races.

To do this right you have to correctly 'nest' the flags even though
the locks are chained.
So you should have:
	spin_unlock_irqrestore(l1, flags2);
Which is one reason why schemes that save the interrupt state in the
lock are completely broken.

Did you consider a scheme where the interrupt disable count is held in a
per-cpu variable (rather than on-stack)?
It might have to be the same per-cpu variable that is used for disabling
pre-emption.
If you add (say) 256 to disable interrupts and do the hardware disable
when the count ends up between 256 and 511 and the enable on the opposite
transition I think it should work.
An interrupt after the increment will be fine - it can't do a process
switch.

The read-add-write doesn't even need to be atomic.
The problem is a process switch and that can only happen when the only
value is zero - so it doesn't matter it is can from a different cpu!

I know some systems (I think including x86) have only incremented such a
counter instead of doing the hardware interrupt disable.
When an interrupt happens they realise it shouldn't have, block the IRQ,
remember there is a deferred interrupt, and return from the ISR.
This is good for very short disables - because the chance of an IRQ
is low.

	David
 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-13 15:48 [PATCH v13 00/17] Refcounted interrupts, SpinLockIrq for rust Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 01/17] preempt: Track NMI nesting to separate per-CPU counter Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 16:19   ` Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 16:32     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-10-13 20:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-13 21:27     ` Joel Fernandes
2025-10-14  8:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-14 17:59         ` Joel Fernandes
2025-10-14 19:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-14 10:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-14 17:55     ` Joel Fernandes
2025-10-14 19:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-14 22:05         ` Joel Fernandes
2025-10-20 20:44         ` Joel Fernandes
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 02/17] preempt: Reduce NMI_MASK to single bit and restore HARDIRQ_BITS Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 03/17] preempt: Introduce HARDIRQ_DISABLE_BITS Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 04/17] preempt: Introduce __preempt_count_{sub, add}_return() Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 05/17] irq & spin_lock: Add counted interrupt disabling/enabling Lyude Paul
2025-10-15 20:54   ` Bart Van Assche
2025-10-16  8:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-17  6:44       ` Boqun Feng
2025-10-16 21:24   ` David Laight [this message]
2025-10-17  6:48     ` Boqun Feng
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 06/17] irq: Add KUnit test for refcounted interrupt enable/disable Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 07/17] rust: Introduce interrupt module Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 08/17] rust: helper: Add spin_{un,}lock_irq_{enable,disable}() helpers Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 09/17] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 10/17] rust: sync: Introduce lock::Backend::Context Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 11/17] rust: sync: lock: Add `Backend::BackendInContext` Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 12/17] rust: sync: lock/global: Rename B to G in trait bounds Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 13/17] rust: sync: Add a lifetime parameter to lock::global::GlobalGuard Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 14/17] rust: sync: Expose lock::Backend Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 15/17] rust: sync: lock/global: Add Backend parameter to GlobalGuard Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 16/17] rust: sync: lock/global: Add BackendInContext support to GlobalLock Lyude Paul
2025-10-13 15:48 ` [PATCH v13 17/17] locking: Switch to _irq_{disable,enable}() variants in cleanup guards Lyude Paul

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