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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Peter Colberg" <pcolberg@redhat.com>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Robin Murphy" <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	"Leon Romanovsky" <leon@kernel.org>,
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	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Zhi Wang" <zhiw@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] rust: pci: add physfn(), to return PF device for VF device
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2025 12:16:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251122161615.GN233636@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DEF5EC79OOT4.2MT1ET4IKXS5Y@kernel.org>

On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 11:23:16PM +1300, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> So far I haven't heard a convincing reason for not providing this guarantee. The
> only reason not to guarantee this I have heard is that some PF drivers only
> enable SR-IOV and hence could be unloaded afterwards. However, I think there is
> no strong reason to do so.

I know some people have work flows around this. I think they are
wrong. When we "fixed" mlx5 a while back there was some pushback and
some weird things did stop working.

So while I support this goal, I don't know if enough people will
agree..

> With this, the above code will be correct and a driver can use the generic
> infrastructure to:
> 
>   1) Call pci::Device<Bound>::physfn() returning a Result<pci::Device<Bound>>
>   2) Grab the driver's device private data from the returned Device<Bound>
> 
> Note that 2) (i.e. accessing the driver's device private data with
> Device::drvdata() [1]) ensures that the device is actually bound (drvdata() is
> only implemented for Device<Bound>) and that the returned type actually matches
> the type of the object that has been stored.

This is what the core helper does, with the twist that it "validates"
the PF driver is working right by checking its driver binding..

> I suggest to have a look at [2] for an example with how this turns out with the
> auxiliary bus [2][3], since in the end it's the same problem, i.e. an auxiliary
> driver calling into its parent, except that the auxiliary bus already guarantees
> that the parent is bound when the child is bound.

Aux bus is a little different because it should be used in a way where
there are stronger guarantees about what the parent is. Ie the aux bus
names should be unique and limited to the type of parent.

> So, if we'd provide a Rust accessor for the PF's device driver data, we'd
> implement it like above, because Device::drvdata() is already safe. If we want
> pci::Device::pf_drvdata() to be safe, we'd otherwise need to do all the checks
> Device::drvdata() already does again before we call into
> pci_iov_get_pf_drvdata().

I think to make progress along this line you need to still somehow
validate that the PF driver is working right, either by checking that
the driver is bound to a rust driver somehow or using the same
approach as the core helper.

I'm not sure the idea to force all drivers to do disable sriov is
going to be easy, and I'd rather see rust bindings progress without
opening such a topic..

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-22 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-19 22:19 [PATCH 0/8] rust: pci: add abstractions for SR-IOV capability Peter Colberg
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 1/8] rust: pci: add is_virtfn(), to check for VFs Peter Colberg
2025-11-21  3:00   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-21 18:27     ` Peter Colberg
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 2/8] rust: pci: add is_physfn(), to check for PFs Peter Colberg
2025-11-21  4:35   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 3/8] rust: pci: add {enable,disable}_sriov(), to control SR-IOV capability Peter Colberg
2025-11-21 23:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 4/8] rust: pci: add num_vf(), to return number of VFs Peter Colberg
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 5/8] rust: pci: add vtable attribute to pci::Driver trait Peter Colberg
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 6/8] rust: pci: add bus callback sriov_configure(), to control SR-IOV from sysfs Peter Colberg
2025-11-21  6:00   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 7/8] rust: pci: add physfn(), to return PF device for VF device Peter Colberg
2025-11-21  7:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-21 23:26   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-22 10:23     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-11-22 16:16       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-11-22 18:57         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-22 22:26           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-11-23  6:34             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-23 10:07               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-11-23 11:18                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-22 22:43         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-11-19 22:19 ` [PATCH 8/8] samples: rust: add SR-IOV driver sample Peter Colberg
2025-11-20  6:41   ` Zhi Wang
2025-11-20 15:49     ` Peter Colberg
2025-11-20  6:32 ` [PATCH 0/8] rust: pci: add abstractions for SR-IOV capability Zhi Wang
2025-11-20 15:03   ` Peter Colberg
2025-11-20 18:34     ` Zhi Wang
2025-11-20 21:16       ` Zhi Wang
2025-11-21 17:05       ` Peter Colberg

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