From: Zhi Wang <zhiw@nvidia.com>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
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<joelagnelf@nvidia.com>, <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/6] rust: io: factor common I/O helpers into Io trait
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2025 12:08:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251124120846.267078e5.zhiw@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSB1Hcqr6W7EEjjK@google.com>
On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 14:20:13 +0000
Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 01:21:13PM +0200, Zhi Wang wrote:
> > The previous Io<SIZE> type combined both the generic I/O access
> > helpers and MMIO implementation details in a single struct.
> >
> > To establish a cleaner layering between the I/O interface and its
> > concrete backends, paving the way for supporting additional I/O
> > mechanisms in the future, Io<SIZE> need to be factored.
> >
> > Factor the common helpers into new {Io, Io64} traits, and move the
> > MMIO-specific logic into a dedicated Mmio<SIZE> type implementing
> > that trait. Rename the IoRaw to MmioRaw and update the bus MMIO
> > implementations to use MmioRaw.
> >
> > No functional change intended.
> >
> > Cc: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
> > Cc: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
> > Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
> > Cc: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
> > Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Zhi Wang <zhiw@nvidia.com>
>
> I said this on a previous version, but I still don't buy the split
> into IoFallible and IoInfallible.
>
> For one, we're never going to have a method that can accept any Io -
> we will always want to accept either IoInfallible or IoFallible, so
> the base Io trait serves no purpose.
>
> For another, the docs explain that the distinction between them is
> whether the bounds check is done at compile-time or runtime. That is
> not the kind of capability one normally uses different traits to
> distinguish between. It makes sense to have additional traits to
> distinguish between e.g.:
>
> * Whether IO ops can fail for reasons *other* than bounds checks.
> * Whether 64-bit IO ops are possible.
>
> Well ... I guess one could distinguish between whether it's possible
> to check bounds at compile-time at all. But if you can check them at
> compile-time, it should always be possible to check at runtime too, so
> one should be a sub-trait of the other if you want to distinguish
> them. (And then a trait name of KnownSizeIo would be more idiomatic.)
>
Thanks a lot for the detailed feedback. Agree with the points. Let's
keep the IoFallible and IoInfallible traits but not just tie them to the
bound checks in the docs.
> And I'm not really convinced that the current compile-time checked
> traits are a good idea at all. See:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/DEEEZRYSYSS0.28PPK371D100F@nvidia.com/
>
> If we want to have a compile-time checked trait, then the idiomatic
> way to do that in Rust would be to have a new integer type that's
> guaranteed to only contain integers <= the size. For example, the
> Bounded integer being added elsewhere.
>
Oops, this is a interesting bug. :) I think we can apply the bound
integer to IoFallible and IoInfallible to avoid possible problems
mentioned above. E.g. constructing a Bounded interger when constructing
Mmio and ConfigSpace objects and use them in the boundary checks in the
trait methods.
I saw Alex had already had an implementation of Bounded integer [1] in
rust-next. While my patchset is against driver-core-testing
branch. Would it be OK that we move on without it and switch to Bounded
integer when it is landed to driver-core-testing? I am open to
suggestions. :)
Z.
[1]
https://lore.kernel.org/all/CANiq72nV1zwoCCcHuizdfqWF=e8hvd6RO1CBXTEt73eqe4ayaA@mail.gmail.com/
> Alice
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-24 10:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-19 11:21 [PATCH v7 0/6] rust: pci: add config space read/write support Zhi Wang
2025-11-19 11:21 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] samples: rust: rust_driver_pci: use "kernel vertical" style for imports Zhi Wang
2025-11-19 11:21 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] rust: devres: " Zhi Wang
2025-11-19 11:21 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] rust: io: factor common I/O helpers into Io trait Zhi Wang
2025-11-21 14:20 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-24 10:08 ` Zhi Wang [this message]
2025-11-24 10:20 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-24 13:32 ` Zhi Wang
2025-11-24 13:53 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-25 13:44 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-25 14:58 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-26 0:43 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-26 7:52 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-26 9:50 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-26 13:37 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-26 13:39 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-12-01 11:57 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-12-01 12:23 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-12-03 13:32 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-25 14:09 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-25 14:14 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-25 14:22 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-11-25 14:46 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-25 19:19 ` John Hubbard
2025-11-19 11:21 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] rust: io: factor out MMIO read/write macros Zhi Wang
2025-11-19 11:21 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] rust: pci: add config space read/write support Zhi Wang
2025-11-25 14:20 ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-11-19 11:21 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] sample: rust: pci: add tests for config space routines Zhi Wang
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