From: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
To: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] gpu: nova-core: bitfield: use &mut self setters instead of builder pattern
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 04:28:51 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260101042851.08576bdb.gary@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4482eb34-0961-4b40-868f-77dc001d98e8@nvidia.com>
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 23:05:21 -0500
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> On 12/31/2025 9:52 PM, John Hubbard wrote:
> [..]
> >>> But this really is fake chaining, because there are no Results involved.
> >>> It's not buying us anything except a bit of indirection and cognitive
> >>> load for the reader.
> >>
> >> Chaining is not really only about error propagation. Builder pattern can be used
> >> for other cases too, like passing a setter chained expression to a function
> >> argument for better clarity, I was planning to do that for the sequencer for
> >> instance since there's a lot of parameters passed to it.
> >
> > Let's see if that has any use for this.
> >
> > So far, though, in the code base that we have today, there is absolutely
> > zero benefit. The diffs here prove it.
> >
>
> From your patch diff, I see the lines of code increased. But that's not even the
> main issue I have with it (though IMO the chaining is more readable..).
>
> >> But in this case, I am actually absolutely opposed against this, it makes the
> >> API hard to use because now how do you differentiate between an IO function call
> >> versus something that just mutates memory? Is set() an IO or write()?
> >
> > That's a completely separate, pre-existing issue with the API.
>
> Nope. With chaining we clearly know that the final operation is a write().
>
> For instance, you cannot do:
> reg.set_foo()
> .write()
> .set_bar()
>
> That wont compile. You cannot intermingle write() with set_XX() because write()
> doesn't return anything that can be chained with. The builder pattern is typically:
> obj.set_something()
> .set_something()
> .do_some_action()
>
> The 'set' can also be 'with' from what I've seen, whatever. The point is the
> last thing is the action. IMO very readable and simple. I know that the write()
> will be what ends up doing the I/O. It is one entity that culminates in the write().
>
> >
> >>
> >> reg.set_foo(x); // no IO
> >> reg.set_sec(y);
> >> reg.write(bar); // IO.
> >>
> >> So no thank you, I quite dislike it. :)
> >>
> >> Instead with chaining, we can just rely on the last part of the chain concluding
> >> in a write() with the intermediaries just mutating memory.
> >
> > Same as above, just a more happy-happy chaining interface, but the same
> > function calls must be made in the same order.
>
> No, you cannot place write() anywhere except at the end of the chain - the type
> system enforces this since write() returns ().
One thing that probably should be added though is `#[must_use]`
annotations on these set functions; this would ensure that if someone
writes
reg.set_foo();
the compiler would complain that the return value is not used.
Best,
Gary
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-01 4:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-31 21:47 [PATCH] gpu: nova-core: bitfield: use &mut self setters instead of builder pattern John Hubbard
2025-12-31 22:33 ` Timur Tabi
2025-12-31 22:47 ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01 0:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 0:46 ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01 2:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 2:52 ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01 4:05 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 4:28 ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-01-01 10:01 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 8:42 ` kernel test robot
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