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From: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
To: Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Guilherme Giacomo Simoes" <trintaeoitogc@gmail.com>,
	"José Expósito" <jose.exposito89@gmail.com>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/11] rust: macros: convert `#[vtable]` macro to use `syn`
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 16:05:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260105160545.29a88dd4.gary@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-ks9kFPFjwsgk4ShM1+CLdTSkFLY3WZC6keM=6nKG8Mf7EbQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 10:19:57 -0500
Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 9:27 AM Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 06:02:35 -0500
> > Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 9:18 PM Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> wrote:  
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 18:44:43 -0500
> > > > Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 2:29 PM Gary Guo <gary@kernel.org> wrote:  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > `#[vtable]` is converted to use syn. This is more robust than the
> > > > > > previous heuristic-based searching of defined methods and functions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When doing so, the trait and impl are split into two code paths as the
> > > > > > types are distinct when parsed by `syn`.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>  
> > > > >
> > > > > Logic looks correct, but the duplication between handle_trait and
> > > > > handle_impl is unfortunate. I golfed on this a bit, see if you like
> > > > > it: https://github.com/tamird/linux/commit/8354c5a48769f5e1e52963d19ca57c31e5926b08.  
> > > >
> > > > I very much prefer the code to be separate. The trait and impl *should*
> > > > be different. It's just that they *look* similar.
> > > >
> > > > Defining
> > > >
> > > >         const HAS_FOO: bool = false;
> > > >
> > > > in trait is defining a new contract while providing *default* value,
> > > > while
> > > >
> > > >         const HAS_FOO: bool = true;
> > > >
> > > > is implementing such contract with a specific value. They look the
> > > > same but I think the way `syn` treats them differently is justified.  
> > >
> > > Yes, the similarity is perhaps superficial, but the duplication in the
> > > current patch goes a good bit further because all the surrounding
> > > ceremony is also duplicated.  
> >
> > What do you mean? The only code that is really duplicated is the gathering
> > of names from items (which have to be duplicate due to type difference
> > anyway, and they're still duplicate in your linked commit above.  
> 
> There's a bunch of boilerplate surrounding this code that is duplicated:
> - declaring `functions` and `consts
> - iterating over `functions`
> - computing the value of `gen_const_name`
> - checking if `gen_const_name` is already in `consts`
> 
> These are of course mostly straightforward, but it is duplication
> nonetheless, and it is all removed in my commit linked above.

I am not convinced.

These are very light-weight lines and it's not like the duplication
contains heavy logic inside. In my opinion the `if` (or `match`) that is
involved in handling them differently but inside a same function is more
cognitive load than just duplicating them. It's much easier to have a
top-level if to split into two code-paths.

Plus, the reason for `gen_const_name` check is different for the code
paths:
- for trait, it's for handling `#[cfg]` functions which are allowed to
  repeat
- for impl, it's for allowing user override plus the `#[cfg]`.

With `syn`, arguable the `#[cfg]` should be handled just by propagating
the `#[cfg]` from function to constant.

(Actually, we don't need to iterate over user-defined constants in the
trait code path at all even without the cfg change. I'll remove it in v2)

Best,
Gary

> 
> >  
> > >  
> > > >
> > > > I think the fact that existing code has a boolean and do different
> > > > things based on it is a good enough supporting reason to handle
> > > > different code path.
> > > >
> > > > For some new `vtable` features that I am working on would require quite
> > > > different impl between the two.  
> > >
> > > It seems unusual to justify current changes with future changes.  
> >
> > I gave both reasons that why I think it should be distinct code path today
> > and also why I prefer it to be it for the future. I did not justify the
> > current change with future changes.  
> 
> The today justification (the presence of a boolean) feels weak to me.
> It can be made an enum if that changes your position.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-05 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-11 18:56 [PATCH 00/11] refactor Rust proc macros with `syn` Gary Guo
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 01/11] rust: pin-init: internal: remove proc-macro[2] and quote workarounds Gary Guo
2025-12-11 21:50   ` Christian Schrefl
2025-12-15 13:01     ` Gary Guo
2025-12-16  9:43       ` Benno Lossin
2026-01-04 13:35   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-05  8:53     ` Benno Lossin
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 02/11] rust: macros: use `quote!` from vendored crate Gary Guo
2025-12-16  9:47   ` Benno Lossin
2026-01-04 13:39     ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 03/11] rust: macros: convert `#[vtable]` macro to use `syn` Gary Guo
2026-01-04 23:44   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-05  2:17     ` Gary Guo
2026-01-05 11:02       ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-05 14:27         ` Gary Guo
2026-01-05 15:19           ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-05 16:05             ` Gary Guo [this message]
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 04/11] rust: macros: use `syn` to parse `module!` macro Gary Guo
2026-01-04 22:53   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-05  2:20     ` Gary Guo
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 05/11] rust: macros: use `quote!` for " Gary Guo
2026-01-04 21:34   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 06/11] rust: macros: convert `#[export]` to use `syn` Gary Guo
2025-12-22  6:39   ` Benno Lossin
2026-01-04 22:56   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 07/11] rust: macros: convert `concat_idents!` " Gary Guo
2025-12-22  6:34   ` Benno Lossin
2025-12-22 11:59     ` Gary Guo
2026-01-04 22:59   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 08/11] rust: macros: convert `#[kunit_tests]` macro " Gary Guo
2026-01-04 23:38   ` Tamir Duberstein
2026-01-05  2:28     ` Gary Guo
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 09/11] rust: macros: allow arbitrary types to be used in `module!` macro Gary Guo
2025-12-22  6:36   ` Benno Lossin
2026-01-04 23:42   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 10/11] rust: macros: rearrange `#[doc(hidden)]` " Gary Guo
2025-12-22  6:37   ` Benno Lossin
2026-01-04 23:42   ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-12-11 18:56 ` [PATCH 11/11] rust: kunit: use `pin_init::zeroed` instead of custom null value Gary Guo
2025-12-16 12:48   ` Benno Lossin
2026-01-04 23:43   ` Tamir Duberstein

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