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From: "Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>
To: Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>
Cc: rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, lossin@kernel.org,
	lyude@redhat.com, ojeda@kernel.org, alex.gaynor@gmail.com,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, a.hindborg@kernel.org,
	aliceryhl@google.com, tmgross@umich.edu, dakr@kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, will@kernel.org,
	longman@redhat.com, felipe_life@live.com, daniel@sedlak.dev,
	daniel.almeida@collabora.com, thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 5/6] rust: ww_mutex: implement LockSet
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2026 15:26:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261015122618.145485-1-work@onurozkan.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM5E3B3DWY1O.1UB1GYG16T66V@garyguo.net>

On Thu, 15 Oct 2026 12:53:10 +0100
Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> wrote:

> On Thu Oct 15, 2026 at 12:26 PM BST, Onur Özkan wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 13:02:15 +0100
> > Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon Oct 12, 2026 at 11:26 AM BST, Onur Özkan wrote:
> >> > LockSet is a high-level and safe API built on top of
> >> > ww_mutex which provides a safe and easy to use API
> >> > while keeping the ww_mutex semantics.
> >> >
> >> > When EDEADLK is hit it drops all held locks and waits for the
> >> > contended mutex. It then retries the given (by the user)
> >> > locking algorithm with that mutex held and the same acquire
> >> > context until it succeeds.
> >> 
> >> Do we really need this, or this can be achieved by simple retry loops?
> >> 
> >>     fn retry_if_deadlock<R>(f: impl FnOnce() -> Result<R>) -> Result<R> {
> >>         loop {
> >>             match f() {
> >>                 Err(EDEADLK) => (),
> >>                 e => return e,
> >>             }
> >>         }
> >>     }
> >> 
> >>     stack_pin_init!(let acq_ctx = AcquireCtx::new(&class));
> >>     retry_if_deadlock(|| {
> >>         let mut gaurd1 = acq_ctx.lock(&mutex1)?;
> >>         let mut guard2 = acq_ctx.lock(&mutex2)?;
> >> 
> >>         acq_ctx.done();
> >> 
> >>         *guard1 += 1;
> >>         *guard2 += 1;
> >>     });
> >> 
> >> I think the only difference is that the `LockSet` acquires the contending mutex
> >> first. However, I imagine we can solve this by having a wrapped `AcquireCtx`
> >> that provides that.
> >
> > That's what LockSet already is. How would you design that wrapped AcquireCtx and
> > what would we gain by replacing LockSet with another wrapper?
> 
> The LockSet API have multiple issues that I consider problematic:
> 
> * It always allocate, even if you don't need a dynamic set.
> 
> * Accessing data searches through the vec. To access all data, you will have
>   O(n^2) complexity spent just on vec traversal.
>  
> * There's no way of getting multiple mutable borrow of the distinct locks.

I can work on these.

> 
> My example above has none of the issue.
> 
> If you do not need the "acquire the contended lock first" behaviour, then
> there's no need for wrapper, even. Also, if this behaviour is truly universal,
> perhaps it should become part of `AcquireCtx`'s default behaviour instead.

We need that functionality for the DRM use-case, it's not something that should
be applied to the ww mutex primitives but I would like to hear @Daniel's opinion
on this.

> 
> >
> > You need to remember the contended mutex, release all acquired locks before
> > waiting for it and retry with that mutex held and the same acquire context. 
> 
> My example above doesn't have these issues. Releasing acquired locks if free
> with `?`. Retrying is done by the helper function and not handled by user.
> Acquire context if really easy to be misued, can be done by the helper function
> too:
>  
>     fn ww_transaction<R>(
>         class: &Class, f: impl FnOnce(&AcquireCtx) -> Result<R>
>     ) -> Result<R> {
>         stack_pin_init!(let acq_ctx = AcquireCtx::new(&class));
>         loop {
>             match f(&acq_Ctx) {
>                 Err(EDEADLK) => (),
>                 e => return e,
>             }
>         }
>     }
> 
>     ww_transaction(&class, |acq_ctx| {
>         let mut guard1 = acq_ctx.lock(&mutex1)?;
>         let mut guard2 = acq_ctx.lock(&mutex2)?;
> 
>         acq_ctx.done();
> 
>         *guard1 += 1;
>         *guard2 += 1;
>     })
> 

This still needs the contended-lock backoff when retrying the full transaction.
Simply restarting the callback can repeatedly hit EDEADLK, so the proposed code
is not going to work.

Cc @Daniel

Thanks,
Onur

> 
> > Also for a dynamic set, you also need to keep the acquired locks held across loop
> > iterations and helper calls and handle repeated objects. With ordinary guards,
> > that bookkeeping falls on the caller unless the wrapper handles it. LockSet
> > already does all this.
> 
> You can make dynamic lock set just a data structure and not do everything at
> once, something like:
> 
>     ww_transaction(&class, |acq_ctx| {
>         let dynset = DynLockSet::new()?;
> 
>         // Check if already inside the set, if not, lock it.
>         dynset.lock(acq_ctx, &mutex1)?;
>         dynset.lock(acq_ctx, &mutex2)?;
> 
>         acq_ctx.done();
> 
>         dynset.with_locked(&mutex1, |guard1| *guard1 += 1)?;
>         dynset.with_locked(&mutex2, |guard2| *guard2 += 1)?;
>     })
> 
> Best,
> Gary

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-15 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-12 10:26 [PATCH v12 0/6] rust: add ww_mutex support Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 10:26 ` [PATCH v12 1/6] rust: add C wrappers for ww_mutex inline functions Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 11:41   ` Gary Guo
2026-10-12 10:26 ` [PATCH v12 2/6] ww_mutex: add ww_class field unconditionally Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 11:42   ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 11:37     ` Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 10:26 ` [PATCH v12 3/6] rust: implement Class for ww_class support Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 11:03   ` Gary Guo
2026-10-12 11:26     ` Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 10:26 ` [PATCH v12 4/6] rust: ww_mutex: add Mutex, AcquireCtx and MutexGuard Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 11:40   ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 12:13     ` Onur Özkan
2026-10-15 14:10       ` Gary Guo
2026-10-12 10:26 ` [PATCH v12 5/6] rust: ww_mutex: implement LockSet Onur Özkan
2026-10-12 12:02   ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 11:26     ` Onur Özkan
2026-10-15 11:53       ` Gary Guo
2026-10-15 12:26         ` Onur Özkan [this message]
2026-10-15 14:00           ` Gary Guo
2026-10-12 10:26 ` [PATCH v12 6/6] MAINTAINERS: add Onur Özkan as WW MUTEX maintainer Onur Özkan

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