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From: Philipp Stanner <phasta@mailbox.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	"Abdiel Janulgue" <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>,
	daniel.almeida@collabora.com, aliceryhl@google.com,
	robin.murphy@arm.com, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Valentin Obst" <kernel@valentinobst.de>,
	"open list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Marek Szyprowski" <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com,
	"open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:19:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <293df3d54bad446e8fd527f204c6dc301354e340.camel@mailbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250128092334.GA28548@lst.de>

On Tue, 2025-01-28 at 10:23 +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 02:17:24PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > Since there hasn't been a reply so far, I assume that we're good
> > with
> > maintaining the DMA Rust abstractions separately.
> 
> No, I'm not.  This was an explicit:
> 
> Nacked-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
> 
> And I also do not want another maintainer.  If you want to make Linux
> impossible to maintain due to a cross-language codebase do that in
> your driver so that you have to do it instead of spreading this
> cancer
> to core subsystems.  (where this cancer explicitly is a cross-
> language
> codebase and not rust itself, just to escape the flameware brigade).


Hallo,

would some sort of official statement by the "entire community"
reassure you that the burden of keeping Rust abstractions working with
any changes on the C side rests entirely on the Rust side's shoulders?
(because that's what the statements made by the latter seem to mean to
me)

As I see it, at least as long as Rust code is just drivers and
abstractions which sit on top of the core infrastructure, which is C,
breakages or a hypothetical unmaintainability would only affect the
Rust side, whereas the traditional kernel could go on working and being
maintained as it always did.

I'm thinking about something like a linux/LANGUAGES file, which
specifies what languages you can use and what the rules are. Written
down transparently black on white. As a counterpart to linux/LICENSES,
basically.


Philipp

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-30 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-08 12:27 [PATCH v8 0/2] Add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] rust: error: Add EOVERFLOW Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 12:27 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-08 13:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:16     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-08 15:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 15:21         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-09  8:08           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-09  8:49             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-10  8:39               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-10 10:41                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:17                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-16 13:57                     ` Robin Murphy
2025-01-16 15:57                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-17 13:56                         ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-17 19:10                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-28 10:14                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-28  9:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-29 21:33                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-31  7:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-03  8:17                           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-04  5:29                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-30 13:19                       ` Philipp Stanner [this message]
2025-01-30 13:35                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-30 13:43                           ` Philipp Stanner
2025-01-30 15:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-30 16:11                           ` Greg KH
2025-01-30 17:24                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-01-31  7:47                               ` Greg KH
2025-01-31 13:54                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 18:46                                   ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-03 23:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-03 19:22                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 23:05                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-05 18:52                                     ` On community influencing (was Re: [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction.) Simona Vetter
2025-02-05 20:36                                       ` Dave Airlie
2025-02-06  9:19                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-06 17:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 12:16                                             ` Dr. Greg
2025-02-08  4:26                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  4:32                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-08  8:31                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  9:41                                                   ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-10 10:24                                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-13  3:49                                                       ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13  6:41                                                         ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-02-13  9:50                                                           ` Icenowy Zheng
2025-02-13 11:34                                                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-08 20:44                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-02-09  0:47                                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-09  3:42                                                 ` comex
2025-02-13 10:20                                                 ` David Airlie
2025-02-20 16:24                                                   ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-20 16:37                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-20 16:52                                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-02-13 19:52                                                 ` Ronja Meyer
2025-02-13 19:22                                             ` 33KK
2025-02-06 19:37                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-06 20:16                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 17:14                                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-07 18:02                                                 ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:16                                                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-02-09  8:25                                                     ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-10 17:28                                                       ` Mark Brown
2025-02-14  7:10                                                         ` Neal Gompa
2025-02-14 19:49                                                           ` Al Viro
2025-02-19 15:03                                                           ` Mark Brown
2025-02-07 18:33                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-02-07 19:18                                                     ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 18:53                                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-02-07  9:41                                       ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:20                                         ` Hector Martin
2025-02-07 10:51                                           ` Greg KH
2025-02-07 13:49                                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-07 14:54                                             ` Hector Martin
2025-02-10  7:52                                             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-08 23:55       ` [PATCH v8 2/2] rust: add dma coherent allocator abstraction Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09  6:44         ` David Airlie
2025-02-09 16:19           ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-02-09 16:28             ` Carlos Bilbao
2025-01-08 18:08   ` Daniel Sedlak
2025-01-08 19:09     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-01-09 11:14       ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-09 11:19         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-09 11:32         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-10  8:07           ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-01-12  0:41   ` kernel test robot
2025-02-04 16:54   ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-05  2:41     ` Thomas Hampton
2025-02-10  8:54 ` [PATCH v8 0/2] Add " Pyrex
2025-02-10  9:09   ` Danilo Krummrich

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