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From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>
Cc: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Matthew Maurer <mmaurer@google.com>,
	Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>, Neal Gompa <neal@gompa.dev>,
	Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>, Janne Grunau <j@jannau.net>,
	Asahi Linux <asahi@lists.linux.dev>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 16/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for reserved structure fields
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 18:08:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2b2d4953-d2a3-4ea2-98a4-078901cfbda3@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABCJKuer=O3FnLJNGMg2+-HxFJFUrccTuuHt5OiMpRsAJBvBsg@mail.gmail.com>

On 12.09.24 18:06, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 4:43 AM Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/31/24 02:05, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 9:34 AM Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yes, this is one of the approaches we use in SLES. We add kabi paddings
>>>> to some structures in advance (see [1] as a random example) and then use
>>>> it later if needed.
>>>>
>>>> It is not the only approach. Much more often we do not have a padding and
>>>> use alignment holes ([5]), addition of a new member to the end of a
>>>> structure ([2] or [3]) and such "tricks" ([4] for a newly fully defined
>>>> structure).
>>>
>>> Thanks for bringing this up! Sounds like we're also going to need a
>>> way to completely exclude specific fields from the output then. I
>>> think we can use a similar union approach, but instead of instructing
>>> the tool to use another type, we can just indicate that the field
>>> should be skipped. I'll come up with a solution for v3.
>>
>> It might have been mentioned previously, not sure, but one more case to
>> consider is handling of enum declarations. New enumerators can be
>> typically added without breaking ABI, e.g. 'enum E { OLD1, OLD2, NEW }'.
>> It would be then great to have some ability to hide them from
>> gendwarfksyms.
>>
>> I think neither of the __kabi_reserved or __gendwarfksyms_declonly
>> mechanism can currently help with that.
> 
> I thought about this a bit and I wonder if we need a separate
> mechanism for that, or is it sufficient to just #define any additional
> hidden values you want to add instead of including them in the enum?
> 
>   enum e {
>       A,
>       B,
>   #define C (B + 1)
>   #define D (C + 1)
>   };
>
> 
> Do you see any issues with this approach? I think Clang would complain
> about this with -Wassign-enum, but I'm not sure if we even enable that
> in the kernel, and as long as you don't overflow the underlying type,
> which is a requirement for not breaking the ABI anyway, it should be
> fine.

Rust has problems with `#define`-style enums, because bindgen (the tool
that generates definitions for Rust to be able to call C code) isn't
able to convert them to Rust enums.

So if you can come up with an approach that allows you to continue to
use C enums instead of `#define`, we would appreciate that, since it
would make our lives a lot easier.

---
Cheers,
Benno


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-12 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-15 17:39 [PATCH v2 00/19] Implement DWARF modversions Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 01/19] tools: Add gendwarfksyms Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-16  7:14   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-27 16:44     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-26 17:41   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-26 18:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:31       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 21:28         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 17:45   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:32     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-05  2:29   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-05 20:52     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-10  9:43       ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-10 21:09         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 02/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symbol list handling Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-27  9:16   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-27 18:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:35   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 23:09     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02  9:52       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 18:16   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:50     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 10:59   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:51     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 03/19] gendwarfksyms: Add address matching Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-27 12:40   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-27 21:28     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 18:22   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:56     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 11:10   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:48     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 04/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for type pointers Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28  6:50   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28  7:15     ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:58       ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 05/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand base_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:46   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 22:19     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 06/19] gendwarfksyms: Add a cache for processed DIEs Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 18:15   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 22:27     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02 10:05   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 17:19     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 07/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand type modifiers and typedefs Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 08/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand subroutine_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-03 15:11   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 17:22     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 09/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand array_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 10/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand structure types Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 11/19] gendwarfksyms: Limit structure expansion Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-03 15:15   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 18:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 12/19] gendwarfksyms: Add die_map debugging Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 13/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symtypes output Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-10 14:58   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-10 21:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 14/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symbol versioning Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-11 10:08   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-11 16:03     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 10:28       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 15/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for declaration-only data structures Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 16/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for reserved structure fields Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-16  7:20   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-16 15:50     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-17  7:41       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-17 13:19         ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-19 18:25           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-19 21:46             ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-19 19:38           ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-19 22:16             ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-20 18:47               ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-20 20:03                 ` Matthew Maurer
2024-08-21 11:31                   ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-21 23:01                     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-21 23:29                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22  5:55                       ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-22  7:29                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22 12:00                           ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-22 23:53                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-23 19:17                               ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-24 13:29                                 ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-24 13:27                               ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-30  9:34   ` Miroslav Benes
2024-08-31  0:05     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-11 11:43       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-12 16:06         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 18:08           ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2024-09-12 20:58             ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 21:58               ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-12 22:37                 ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-13  8:00                   ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 17/19] export: Add __gendwarfksyms_ptr_ references to exported symbols Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 18/19] x86/asm-prototypes: Include <asm/ptrace.h> Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 10:50   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 19/19] kbuild: Add gendwarfksyms as an alternative to genksyms Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 20:13 ` [PATCH v2 00/19] Implement DWARF modversions Sedat Dilek
2024-08-15 20:47   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-21  0:12     ` Sedat Dilek
2024-08-16  7:15 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22 16:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-08-22 17:57   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28  7:04 ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 22:53   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02  9:57     ` Petr Pavlu

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